Micah officially requests a trade

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, Rags said:

Eh, happens. We'll be a young team with no firstsor QB but a young talented offense and a defense with pieces if everything else falls into place. We'll have to figure it out with QB but I think it's worth the risk unless I think my roster is bad enough for Arch I'd say it's worth the risk. Rather figure it out with Parsons on my roster.

It's never gonna happen so I can just discuss the hypothetical since we'll never actually live in the reality with the consequences.

In short, we'll be fuged for a few more years unless we fall backasswards into a good non-1st round rookie QB or another Delhomme out of free agency.

That's why I want to hang onto those 1sts like they're gold. If Bryce isn't the guy they're gonna be high ones.

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 hours ago, TD alt said:

"Wreck" the franchise? I think that's a little hyperbolic considering all the acquisitions that were made. I thought the franchise was wrecked after Bryce's first month. Just thinking of the king's ransom that we gave up for him sent shivers down my spine. But now, we've kinda gotten through that. 

I know that I'm projecting, but I think that it will become very evident fairly quickly that the O-line and offensive skill players won't hold the team back. That being said, even without Bryce, I don't see us being an absolutely "wrecked" franchise. Ostensibly we're building to the point where others can succeed if Bryce fails.

I wouldnt say weve gotten through it with Bryce. He played better in the 2nd half of the season, but thats hardly conclusive proof he's the guy going forward. We may look better on paper, but we haven't seen a game played yet. The Horn contract was Hurneyesque, potential vs production. We're paper thin at LB and we haven't had a winning season in so long it's hard to remember. Morgan hasn't proven he's the guy yet either. 

It's going to be hard to build a competitive franchise with the cost of Parsons, for the Panthers at least. You're talking about a Rams/Burns level trade cost, a record new contract, and a lack of ability to build around Parsons, which is what he wants. There's a few journeyman QBs out there, but do we really want to build around a Jones, Darnold or Baker type? We've put a ton of resources into the offense. It'll be hard to do the same with the defense the next couple of years missing those 1sts and 2nd(s). 

If BY had given us a year of solid performance, I'd say go for it. But with less than half a season of success, i just dont see how we can. If it goes wrong we're going to need a franchise QB, another GM, be on a nearly decade long losing streak, and likely have an unhappy Parsons to go with it. And wed be trusting Tepper to fix it. I'd consider that a wreck. 

Edited August 3 by SmokinwithWilly

[TD alt]

41 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I wouldnt say weve gotten through it with Bryce. He played better in the 2nd half of the season, but thats hardly conclusive proof he's the guy going forward. We may look better on paper, but we haven't seen a game played yet. The Horn contract was Hurneyesque, potential vs production. We're paper thin at LB and we haven't had a winning season in so long it's hard to remember. Morgan hasn't proven he's the guy yet either. 

It's going to be hard to build a competitive franchise with the cost of Parsons, for the Panthers at least. You're talking about a Rams/Burns level trade cost, a record new contract, and a lack of ability to build around Parsons, which is what he wants. There's a few journeyman QBs out there, but do we really want to build around a Jones, Darnold or Baker type? We've put a ton of resources into the offense. It'll be hard to do the same with the defense the next couple of years missing those 1sts and 2nd(s). 

If BY had given us a year of solid performance, I'd say go for it. But with less than half a season of success, i just dont see how we can. If it goes wrong we're going to need a franchise QB, another GM, be on a nearly decade long losing streak, and likely have an unhappy Parsons to go with it. And wed be trusting Tepper to fix it. I'd consider that a wreck. 

Honestly, in my opinion the Bryce argument is the best one against making an expensive acquisition. We don't know what's gonna happen or if we'll need that draft compensation. Still, for me, if it's DB and a pick, I'd have to consider it. 

Edited August 3 by TD alt

[SmokinwithWilly]

22 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Honestly, in my opinion the Bryce argument is the best one against making an expensive acquisition. We don't know what's gonna happen or if we'll need that draft compensation. Still, for me, if it's DB and a pick, I'd have to consider it. 

DB and a pick would be an interesting option depending on what the pick was and how the contract was written. DB is a game changer in the center, but having Parsons wreaking havoc with 2 young bucks learning behind him. That's damn tempting. 

[BEASTfromdaEAST]

Its always fun to speculate but there is almost a ZERO PERCENT chance of Dallas 1. of trading Parsons and 2. getting traded here

[tukafan21]

53 minutes ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

Its always fun to speculate but there is almost a ZERO PERCENT chance of Dallas 1. of trading Parsons and 2. getting traded here

I think the odds of Dallas trading Parsons is a lot higher than you're assuming here.

This isn't a McLaurin situation, a really good player who has probably a few years of high level play left and is probably around 15th-ish best at his position.

This is maybe the best edge rusher in the league who just turned 26

Dallas can't really just let him sit out, if he flat out refuses to play for them again (which very well may be the case as he sounds totally done with them), they're going to have to trade him in the end, he's too big of an asset to let sit and lose out on the return he can get them.

[TD alt]

2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I think the odds of Dallas trading Parsons is a lot higher than you're assuming here.

This isn't a McLaurin situation, a really good player who has probably a few years of high level play left and is probably around 15th-ish best at his position.

This is maybe the best edge rusher in the league who just turned 26

Dallas can't really just let him sit out, if he flat out refuses to play for them again (which very well may be the case as he sounds totally done with them), they're going to have to trade him in the end, he's too big of an asset to let sit and lose out on the return he can get them.

He'll be done with them until they give him that bag

 

[tukafan21]

22 minutes ago, TD alt said:

He'll be done with them until they give him that bag

 

Maybe, maybe not, because really, he's getting a massive bag no matter he signs his next contract, so if he just flat out insists that he won't play for the Cowboys again and he holds firm on it, they will eventually cave, he holds all the power in this one given his age and status in the game.

If Jones hadn't taken shots at Parsons recently, I'd probably be more inclined to think this was just posturing and he'll end up signing an extension with them.  But he did, and Parsons seems legitimately upset by it, it's not an insignificant factor in all this.

Edited August 3 by tukafan21

[kungfoodude]

15 hours ago, Basbear said:

 

You cannot trade Dbrown this year or next due to his massive dead cap. Thanks to teppers wallet, Dbrown has a huge guarantee and thus trading him cause a 47,500,000 cap hit along with paying Parsons 41,000,000. It doesn't work at all, with Icky and BY are soon for huge hits as well. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47600/derrick-brown

Of course I would, if the cap didn't matter. I almost know if every player entered a draft pool, atleast 20 out of 32 GMs would select Parsons as the first non-QB for the draft. He's that well thought of. Just NFL has these silly rules and there's not many teams able to give Parsons the current value, that's a problem for him. 

The financials across the board make zero sense for us. Both with trading Brown away and paying Parsons $40+ mil AAV. 

The big argument was the value versus value of Parsons vs. DB+3rd. 

The answer was very, very, VERY, clearly:

 

Parson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DB+3rd

[BEASTfromdaEAST]

The haul Dallas will want for MP will be other worldly multiple 1sts AND high value established players. If ppl think DB and a 3rd would do it your smoking some .

NFL is still controlled by billionaires who are used to this ish. Calling players bluffs. Hendrickson just caved, Parson will too. 

Even tho Parsons is a millionaire he's not a BILLIONAIRE like the Cowboys owners who will fine him and break his will until he suits up for Dallas this year and "kick the can" down the road.

It's all fun and games until Cowboys tell Parson he owes THEM 10 mil (or whatever it actually will be) for sitting out training camp and/or games.

The CBA was a joke for players rights and I hope they hold firm for a better deal next time around so players actually can have a say. Right now they dont

[tukafan21]

31 minutes ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

The haul Dallas will want for MP will be other worldly multiple 1sts AND high value established players. If ppl think DB and a 3rd would do it your smoking some .

NFL is still controlled by billionaires who are used to this ish. Calling players bluffs. Hendrickson just caved, Parson will too. 

Even tho Parsons is a millionaire he's not a BILLIONAIRE like the Cowboys owners who will fine him and break his will until he suits up for Dallas this year and "kick the can" down the road.

It's all fun and games until Cowboys tell Parson he owes THEM 10 mil (or whatever it actually will be) for sitting out training camp and/or games.

The CBA was a joke for players rights and I hope they hold firm for a better deal next time around so players actually can have a say. Right now they dont

Hendrickson will turn 31 during the season with 1 year left on his deal and he knows the Bengals aren't going to tag him.  He wanted guaranteed money past this season, but in the end, he gains nothing from actually holding out into the season, push comes to shove for him, you play the one year left and then hit FA next year after hopefully a good season.

Parsons just turned 26 and the Cowboys can control him for 2 more seasons after this one through the franchise tag, plus playing only risks injury before he signs what is likely going to end up being the biggest non QB contract in league history.

They're not remotely the same thing.

[TD alt]

11 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Maybe, maybe not, because really, he's getting a massive bag no matter he signs his next contract, so if he just flat out insists that he won't play for the Cowboys again and he holds firm on it, they will eventually cave, he holds all the power in this one given his age and status in the game.

If Jones hadn't taken shots at Parsons recently, I'd probably be more inclined to think this was just posturing and he'll end up signing an extension with them.  But he did, and Parsons seems legitimately upset by it, it's not an insignificant factor in all this.

Jerry ain't taking the trade request seriously. The ball is in Parsons' court.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jerry-jones-dismisses-micah-parsons-trade-request-as-negotiations

[tukafan21]

17 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Jerry ain't taking the trade request seriously. The ball is in Parsons' court.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jerry-jones-dismisses-micah-parsons-trade-request-as-negotiations

What the hell else is he going to say to not infuriate the fan base right now and/or screw himself in negotiations either with Parsons or other teams?

Taking that at face value is basically the equivalent to thinking the stripper really likes you.

Edited August 3 by tukafan21

[TD alt]

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