Best and worst PFF grades from Panthers' preseason loss to Texans

[Icege]

On 8/19/2025 at 6:15 PM, CPcavedweller said:

I'll say this until it's pointless to say, but we should have taken Tyler Warren in the draft. Receivers are a dime a dozen. TE's like Warren come around every five years or less. He's a generational talent, and can effectively play multiple positions on offense. 

Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

Everyone saying "but we have Sanders". 

I'm happy with TMac, but Tyler Warren was last season's Tyler Linderbaum for me in that he was at a position that wasn't one of the five pillars but he was the best player at his position AND one of the top talents in the draft.

I cannot fuging wait for the Panthers to start winning again so that those guys fall to us like they seem to for teams like Baltimore & Philadelphia.

Edited 13 hours ago by Icege

[WUnderhill]

On 8/19/2025 at 6:15 PM, CPcavedweller said:

I'll say this until it's pointless to say, but we should have taken Tyler Warren in the draft. Receivers are a dime a dozen. TE's like Warren come around every five years or less. He's a generational talent, and can effectively play multiple positions on offense. 

Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

Everyone saying "but we have Sanders". 

So why do you keep saying it lol.

[WUnderhill]

26 minutes ago, Icege said:

I'm happy with TMac, but Tyler Warren was last season's Tyler Linderbaum for me in that he was at a position that wasn't one of the five pillars but he was the best player at his position AND one of the top talents in the draft.

I cannot fuging wait for the Panthers to start winning again so that those guys fall to us like they seem to for teams like Baltimore & Philadelphia.

I wouldn’t hold my breath. We got the great Vernon Butler the year after we lost the Super Bowl. The Eagles got Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith.

[Mistuh Jones]

Um several years apart, mr. underhill 

[Shotgun]

On 8/19/2025 at 2:05 PM, Proudiddy said:

2 out of 3 QBs on the worst 5 list. Nice.

Morgan might be the worst judge of QBs ever. I mean what the fug is he doing?

[Icege]

21 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

I wouldn’t hold my breath. We got the great Vernon Butler the year after we lost the Super Bowl. The Eagles got Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith.

Chris Jones being the next DT taken after Vernon Butler puts a little extra stank on that nut shot.

[WUnderhill]

18 minutes ago, Icege said:

Chris Jones being the next DT taken after Vernon Butler puts a little extra stank on that nut shot.

Didn’t even remember that part. Youch.

[WUnderhill]

29 minutes ago, Mistuh Jones said:

Um several years apart, mr. underhill 

Wdym?

[Mistuh Jones]

Vernon Butler was drafted in 2016, Jalen Carter was 2023

[hepcat]

Not good having some guys who are going to playing some meaningful stats showing bad scores in the preseason

[WUnderhill]

1 hour ago, Mistuh Jones said:

Vernon Butler was drafted in 2016, Jalen Carter was 2023

Yeah I wasn’t meaning that they were drafted close together was just comparing who we drafted when we lost the Super Bowl vs who the Eagles got in the same situation because players falling to the Eagles was brought up.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

I wouldn’t hold my breath. We got the great Vernon Butler the year after we lost the Super Bowl. The Eagles got Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith.

Yeah, the perennial contenders are perennial contenders in large part because they consistently draft well. The perennial bottom dwellers are perennial bottom dwellers in large part because they consistently draft poorly. A situation like the Belichick/Brady Pats is a rarity where a team continues to dominate despite drafting poorly in large part because quality aging vets are willing to sign at a discount to ring chase.

[CPcavedweller]

10 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

So why do you keep saying it lol.

BECAUSE I CAN. And I will continue to say it until someone from the Panthers FO contacts me for a consultation. I've been right about most everything since the end of 2022, including saying that poor QB play wasn't their fault, but rather Rhule's. Then to re-sign Darnold, re-up Wilks, bring back Foreman, trade down in the draft and take Torrance/Kincaid, Mimms, Charbonnet on offense, pick up some interior OL FA's, and double down on the hard nosed run game with hard play action downfield pass game.

Looking at the player list there, I was on to something. 

It is what it is though. I'll never have a say in it so ANYTHING I say is technically pointless, if you want to drill down to the nitty gritty of it.