Observer Projections / *Updated Panthers Waiver Additions

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Lots of opinion and no facts. Typical for you. You decide what reality is and run down that road regardless of the facts. Props for being consistent.

I mean, we can talk about typical.  You are randomly making a stand that Bryce freaking Young....is a deep chunk pass gunslinger? I mean THAT is comedy.  Go sell that somewhere that isn't the huddle and tell me how it goes.

We have already done deep factual dives on Canales and his tree.  We have done it on Bryce.  None of this talk is new.  Go search the huddle.  And I for one am not deep diving into things that have already been done because you want to pretend it all hasn't been. 

 

[CRA]

24 minutes ago, csx said:

The comp was Brees.

no no no.  Bryce Young is apparently Jake Delhomme.  Or maybe Brett Favre.  Russell Wilson I guess?  I don't know, panthers55 will make sure we get it right. 

[Navy_football]

20 minutes ago, csx said:

The comp was Brees.

I don't necessarily agree with that comp. Not saying you're wrong. Just that I don't agree with that train of thought. Bryce is more elusive than many give him credit to be. Not athletic, but elusive. I would say one of the more elusive QBs in the NFL. Like top 5. Where Lamar is way ahead of the pack. BY tends to thrive in the off schedule plays more than he does as a 5 steps and then let it rip guy. Brees got the ball to the right guy quickly. Young tends to like to buy time to allow guys to get open. That's a little bit of a flaw in my opinion. Sometimes you just have to let a guy make a play. If it's 3rd and 8, and a guy is open at 5 yards, just get him the ball and let him get the extra 3 yards. 

[CarolinaReaper]

31 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

To put it in perspective, this is a deep ball thrower. Notice how the efficiency basically has minimal drop off regardless of range.

This is Bryce Young

The other QB is Joe Burrow.

XL(1st yr) drops comes to mind, especially the INT when dude rip his the ball out of his hands(n he really one of the best WRs we gonna end up having along with Tmac n Coker(probably the best WR on the team))...js, was Burrow throwing to Mingo...BINGO 

[ClawOn]

31 minutes ago, csx said:

The comp was Brees.

From 2017-2020, Brees completed one pass that traveled 35+ yards. He was still very good. 

Would I prefer Bryce have a big arm?  Of course. But if we can get late Brees...

Edited 3 hours ago by ClawOn

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, Icege said:

It's really, really strange how much I'm seeing folks down on Bryce repeating "NO EXCUSES!" for his failures while having nothing but excuses to try and invalidate his successes.

From day 1, I have maintained the Panthers org has screwed Bryce Young and set him up for failure.    People got mad that I was insulting Frank Reich and that super team.  Some folks in this very thread were lecturing me very hard about how wrong I was going into that Frank season.  

and I have said the same thing about attempt #2 from day 1.  The org is setting Bryce Young for failure. And just like the Frank Reich era, people get mad about me saying he doesn't fit what Canales does and wants from his QB.

So....yeah, I disagree with your framing there.  I have pinned most of the blame on Carolina.  Not Bryce Young.  

[XClown1986]

43 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

To put it in perspective, this is a deep ball thrower. Notice how the efficiency basically has minimal drop off regardless of range.

This is Bryce Young

The other QB is Joe Burrow.

So you're telling me if Joe Burrow was throwing to Bryce's receivers last year and not Jamarr Chase and Tee Higgins, this wouldn't change? Joe Burrow is great, no doubt. I think he might be the best QB in the NFL. But his top 2 receivers are fantastic as well, and that makes things easier. Even Tom Brady, the king of tearing teams apart with short passes, played differently when he had Randy Moss or Mike Evans. You have to trust the guys to make those plays downfield, or you take the higher percentage play. It's why guys like Chad Pennington were able to make a moderate career out of a weak arm, and guys like Rex Grossman flamed out quickly. 

I'm excited to see Bryce in year 3 with his promising young receiver group because he is showing more trust in his guys this year (based on camp and preseason). Bryce has shown he can be accurate, but his guys have to make the catch and build that trust.

Edited 3 hours ago by XClown1986

[XClown1986]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

From day 1, I have maintained the Panthers org has screwed Bryce Young and set him up for failure.    People got mad that I was insulting Frank Reich and that super team.  Some folks in this very thread were lecturing me very hard about how wrong I was going into that Frank season.  

and I have said the same thing about attempt #2 from day 1.  The org is setting Bryce Young for failure. And just like the Frank Reich era, people get mad about me saying he doesn't fit what Canales does and wants from his QB.

So....yeah, I disagree with your framing there.  I have pinned most of the blame on Carolina.  Not Bryce Young.  

How is building a solid offensive line and drafting a 1st round receiver in consecutive years setting him up for failure? If anything, they are investing in assets to help him.

And the blame you put on Carolina is that they drafted Bryce Young in the first place, because you suggest in a lot of your posts that you don't think he can be a good quarterback anywhere, which pins the blame of failure on... Bryce Young.

[LinvilleGorge]

24 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Bryce Young has been a tale of two QBs. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. To use stats and film prior to returning from being benched is a little disingenuous. Completely different players. Like a new BY returned. You could actually see him trying something new every week, that he was afraid to do before - and being successful at it. 

If he picks up this season where he left off, we'll have our franchise QB. And yes he was proficient against pressure. And yes he could throw the deep ball efficiently - with a couple of drops that NFL WRs shouldn't make. 

If he reverts back to the unsure and conservative Bryce from the first two games and most of his rookie season, then we'll be drafting a QB in the first round in 2026. No one knows which we'll get yet. Not even Bryce. My advice would be to stay aggressive going down field. The FO appears to be bringing in receivers that can win the 50/50 ball. That opens up routes underneath. Teams stop blitzing as much and keep a safety over the top. Now what if they had to keep two? It's a lot tougher to defend the middle of the field with LBs than Safeties. I get what they're doing. BY just has to play that game. I think he will. He did in college. 

The part the true believers don't want to grapple with was that "the best of times" Bryce was still basically a mid-tier starter and that might be generous. If he doesn't continue to progress from there then we're cooked as an organization. It would be QB purgatory. He'd basically be just good enough for the organization to be afraid to move on but not good enough to compete as a legit contender. I'd rather he flat out bomb than be the guy he was after the benching. I don't want purgatory. All I want from Bryce this season is boom or bust, please nothing in between.

[rmoneyg35]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

this is where the Bryce defense goes off the rails for me. 

We all know Bryce isn't a deep ball chunk play QB.  He doesn't have those physical tools and he doesn't play the game w/ that mindset.  It simply is not what he is. 

Then you got folks going essentially going, well actually Shaq was a very efficient 3 pt shooter this season.  He shot 50% from behind the arc and Steph Curry was only at 48%.  So yeah, Shaq is a very effective 3 pt shooter.  Don't say he isn't a 3 point shooter.  Meanwhile, Shaq went 1 of 2 on the season and Steph shot 9343924 3s. 

Russell Wilson is a deep ball chunk QB.  Baker is. Geno was his comeback season (best in the league that year I think is the correct call).  That's the Canales pass tree. EVERY QB throws deep at some point.  Arguing you can find a good grade when they went deep one week is just that.   No one can argue Bryce plays the game like a young Wilson throwing f you hail marys downfield.   Jake Delhomme fits Canales more than any Carolina Panther QB. 

Teddy Bridgewater can grade out efficiently on his deep passes.  That doesn't make him a deep ball chunk QB.  2 totally different convos.   

It would be better for everyone IMO if our org accepted what the unicorn was and built a team around that given they invested so much in him.....which is the criticism I started day 1 when they put him in Frank Reich's offense.  He didn't fit that.  He doesn't fit the Canales tree either.   

NFL is about fit more than anything and it's what Carolina gets most wrong.  We essentially run offenses we don't have the QB talent for and you can say the same w/ the 3-4 D.  That's the Bryce era.  

you make a very valid argument. I still think the data maybe a little off because 1. Bryce hasn’t had time to fully develop and have the training wheels off. 2. He was a different player during the last couple of weeks compared to the first. So how do those numbers look?

 

has Bryce turned the corner and those last weeks are him finally figuring things out or did he just happen to play well for a few weeks due to luck and random factors. we’ve see bad players able to to play well for a few weeks before.

 

it kinda reminds me of a few years ago how people said we had a top pass defense when in reality we didn’t, the numbers weren’t that bad because the attempts teams passed against us were a lot lower because teams mostly ran against us. If you actually looked at per attempt stats, pressures, sacks, turnovers you would have seen that our pass defense wasn’t that good.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, rmoneyg35 said:

has Bryce turned the corner and those last weeks are him finally figuring things out or did he just happen to play well for a few weeks due to luck and random factors. we’ve see bad players able to to play well for a few weeks before.

This is all most of the "Bryce haters" are saying. Sure, you have a few who remain all the way out on him but most of us are somewhere between "doubtful but willing to wait and see" and "cautiously optimistic". Personally, I find myself flip flopping between those two stances. Prior to the preseason games I was more on the "cautiously optimistic" camp but after we looked like rotten steaming hot garbage all preseason it's tough not to fall into the "doubtful but willing to wait and see" camp. 

[CRA]

19 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

How is building a solid offensive line and drafting a 1st round receiver in consecutive years setting him up for failure? If anything, they are investing in assets to help him.

And the blame you put on Carolina is that they drafted Bryce Young in the first place, because you suggest in a lot of your posts that you don't think he can be a good quarterback anywhere, which pins the blame of failure on... Bryce Young.

because scheme, fit and what you ask of different players matter in the NFL.  It's more important than talent often.  Where QBs land often determines their success.   

Peyton Manning and Cam Newton can both be great.  But you can put Cam in scenarios/schemes where he would suck.  Same for Peyton.  I mean, if Washington asked Daniels to run what Joe Flacco did his last year in Clev.....it doesn't go as well for Daniels last year.  If you asked Joe Flacco to run this year what Daniels did last year doesn't work. 

I have been consistent, if you were going to draft a unicorn then go all in on that and give it a go.  We never did.  It's why I compared Bryce to Cam.  It had to be a Bryce centric O and not inserting him into old man football.   They compare in needing the scheme and ask to factor in their playstyle.  Cam needed a Cam tailored O.  And if you are going to run these old schemes and play....then don't waste our time w/ Bryce.   

 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

Cam needed a Cam tailored O.  

I honestly don't think that was as true as most believed. Cam was a very efficient passer in Norv's system and again in his year in NE. I think we hurt him in his development and as an overall QB trying to tailor TOO much to his unique talents. The read option should've always remained a staple, but after year two the passing game should've evolved into a more typical modern day NFL passing offense vs. an obsession with chunk play deep ball setups.

[panthers55]

32 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, we can talk about typical.  You are randomly making a stand that Bryce freaking Young....is a deep chunk pass gunslinger? I mean THAT is comedy.  Go sell that somewhere that isn't the huddle and tell me how it goes.

We have already done deep factual dives on Canales and his tree.  We have done it on Bryce.  None of this talk is new.  Go search the huddle.  And I for one am not deep diving into things that have already been done because you want to pretend it all hasn't been. 

 

You have never liked him and trash him at every turn. His rookie year you might have been right but blamed him instead of the terrible offensive line and no receivers to help. Last year with an improved line and better weapons things turned around when he returned from being benched. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/new-stat-panthers-qb-bryce-young-immense-talent-clearer#:~:text=Zach Roberts | May 20%2C 2025&text=Bryce Young broke out last,yards without pressure in 2024.&text=When throwing deep%2C which is,be 13th in the NFL.

His deep ball was ranked 10th among all QBs with and without pressure.

PFF said his deep ball performance was the best in the league week 12 against KC who ended up in the superbowl.

Truth is he has made huge improvements and with his improved receiver corps and consistent offensive line he will be better this year. His deep ball at Alabama was very good so it isn't like this is a shock. You need to allow facts to inform you instead of forming an opinion which you hold onto regardless of reality.