Observer Projections / *Updated Panthers Waiver Additions

[CRA]

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Agreed.  I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that Dan and Dave are getting a restart button if this year crashes and burns.  Should they?  Maybe just to rebuild the reputation of the org, depending on how bad it really is.  But all indications are Tepper throws them out of a helicopter before any of that.  Alright now who wants the job next?

Dan gonna be on cracked thin ice in season.  People still somehow erase he was Fitterer's right hand man.  Fitterer was making decisions off of info coming up to him.   Dan painted as the random mythical creature that some how disagreed w/ everything being done. 

Canales had zero resume.  You can't keep giving a coach time when there is no reason to.  If things go bad this year.....you can't pretend like you just hired Dan next year.   The window to move on from Bryce was last year.  He botched it.  Now, Bryce he is tied to Bryce. 

[Jackie Lee]

I was interested in Hooker during his draft year but man he looked like poo this preseason. That Tennessee offensive system really does nothing to prepare the players for the NFL

[LinvilleGorge]

The biggest issue with Tepper shopping for new GMs and HCs is that we are stuck shopping in the garbage bin and I think he found that out in the last go round. Anyone with other options simply didn't want to consider the Panthers until other options were exhausted. And I don't think simply outbidding the other owners is an option. Pretty sure Dave got a stern talking to after landing Rhule simply by offering a contract that the Giants weren't willing to touch.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Jackie Lee said:

I was interested in Hooker during his draft year but man he looked like poo this preseason. That Tennessee offensive system really does nothing to prepare the players for the NFL

Gonna be interesting to see how that works out for them in the NIL/portal era.  Not sure high level NFL prospects are going to want to sign up.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The biggest issue with Tepper shopping for new GMs and HCs is that we are stuck shopping in the garbage bin and I think he found that out in the last go round. Anyone with other options simply didn't want to consider the Panthers until other options were exhausted. And I don't think simply outbidding the other owners is an option. Pretty sure Dave got a stern talking to after landing Rhule simply by offering a contract that the Giants weren't willing to touch.

Potential candidates need to believe they will get a fair shake if they take the job.

[OldhamA]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

Dan gonna be on cracked thin ice in season.  People still somehow erase he was Fitterer's right hand man.  Fitterer was making decisions off of info coming up to him.   Dan painted as the random mythical creature that some how disagreed w/ everything being done. 

Canales had zero resume.  You can't keep giving a coach time when there is no reason to.  If things go bad this year.....you can't pretend like you just hired Dan next year.   The window to move on from Bryce was last year.  He botched it.  Now, Bryce he is tied to Bryce. 

They were both clearly hired on the premise that they'd try to rescue Young.

[Waldo]

2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Potential candidates need to believe they will get a fair shake if they take the job.

It honestly sounds like things behind the curtain need to change. Good guys got a look and refused to continue thr process. They need to change up how they manage the team is my take. These guys have had 2 years and still have a losing season lined up with a DC coming off of a historically bad D. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Potential candidates need to believe they will get a fair shake if they take the job.

Yep. Tepper has shown a very quick trigger finger on coaches and I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a reputation of him being very heavy handed in terms of his input on personnel decisions when it matters to him.

Not exactly a situation that folks with options are gonna be chomping at the bit for.

[PNW_PantherMan]

Just now, Waldo said:

It honestly sounds like things behind the curtain need to change. Good guys got a look and refused to continue thr process. They need to change up how they manage the team is my take. These guys have had 2 years and still have a losing season lined up with a DC coming off of a historically bad D. 

Yeah I don't personally have much faith in this regime, but we can't reset every season.  It's a tough call with the Frank Reich fug up.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Waldo said:

It honestly sounds like things behind the curtain need to change. Good guys got a look and refused to continue thr process. They need to change up how they manage the team is my take. These guys have had 2 years and still have a losing season lined up with a DC coming off of a historically bad D. 

Tepper needs to see himself all the way out of football decisions. Tepper the businessman would've already fired Tepper the VP of Panthers Football Operations several times already. He needs to look himself on the mirror and see that and do that.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

They were both clearly hired on the premise that they'd try to rescue Young.

I don't buy that.  They buried Bryce Young for dead 2 games into the season.   That always read like an agreed upon deal w/ they hired the chunk ball downfield OC. 

Carolina just screwed it up.....they left the door cracked and a literal miracle occurred for Bryce that no one saw coming.  Wasn't great but it fugged up the plan.  That's why I equate it to the second worst botching under Tepper.   The first was the botched in season tank job that blew up in Tepper's face. 

[OldhamA]

Just now, CRA said:

I don't buy that.  They buried Bryce Young for dead 2 games into the season.   That always read like an agreed upon deal w/ they hired the chunk ball downfield OC. 

Carolina just screwed it up.....they left the door cracked and a literal miracle occurred for Bryce that no one saw coming.  Wasn't great but it fugged up the plan.  That's why I equate it to the second worst botching under Tepper.   The first was the botched in season tank job that blew up in Tepper's face. 

Agree to disagree.

Neither was the most qualified candidate on the market that offseason.

Both conceded to Tepper's demands to try and rescue Young in return for a job as an NFL HC and GM.

 

They screwed it up when they traded the world for Young - but anyone with a brain knew that. 

[Castavar]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Tepper needs to see himself all the way out of football decisions. Tepper the businessman would've already fired Tepper the VP of Panthers Football Operations several times already. He needs to look himself in the mirror and sell the team

FIFY

[Waldo]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Tepper needs to see himself all the way out of football decisions. Tepper the businessman would've already fired Tepper the VP of Panthers Football Operations several times already. He needs to look himself on the mirror and see that and do that.

Amen. What will it take is the question. If it can happen in SF then there is always hope he will get tired of being an embarrassment.