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Went from Cam and Luke to this......unbelievable

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WhoKnows Grand Master

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Just now, BlazeCarolina said:

I have been a fan a long time.  I know how bad we can be.

I feel like this wasn't even that bad.  Y'all got me thinkin' I am delusional.

We are the worst team in the NFL in the last 6 years and we don’t look any better so far. This period of futility is the worst period we’ve ever had and we don’t have the talent to get out of this hole yet.

Sorry, but as a long time fan, you don’t know how bad we can be if you don’t think this is that bad. We are just about to start wearing bags over our heads at games. That might have started if we weren’t a decent destination for other teams fans to visit.

Today was more of the same which ain’t good. 

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2 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

We are the worst team in the NFL in the last 6 years and we don’t look any better so far. This period of futility is the worst period we’ve ever had and we don’t have the talent to get out of this hole yet.

Sorry, but as a long time fan, you don’t know how bad we can be if you don’t think this is that bad. We are just about to start wearing bags over our heads at games. That might have started if we weren’t a decent destination for other teams fans to visit.

Today was more of the same which ain’t good. 

I had a different perception because I was a lot younger, but the Chris Weinke days stick out to me as being the worst.

I remember destroying a signed Chris Weinke ball I had as a kid with a buddy of mine and yelling Chris Weinke sucks Weinke.

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5 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

We are the worst team in the NFL in the last 6 years and we don’t look any better so far. This period of futility is the worst period we’ve ever had and we don’t have the talent to get out of this hole yet.

Sorry, but as a long time fan, you don’t know how bad we can be if you don’t think this is that bad. We are just about to start wearing bags over our heads at games. That might have started if we weren’t a decent destination for other teams fans to visit.

Today was more of the same which ain’t good. 

Yea, I saw that post and had to roll my eyes. We have never been as bad as we are now and during this 7 year no playoff drought. 
 

Getting on Panthers fans for not being positive enough is crazy to me. The panthers are lucky that there’s still some interest in the program. 

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41 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

Maybe in the first round.  I don't think we can build a roster around 1 solid pick a year.

He had his fair share of issues outside of the first.

Despite how bad his last couple drafts were after the first, overall he had his share of late hits in the 4th round and later. 

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1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

Despite how bad his last couple drafts were after the first, overall he had his share of late hits in the 4th round and later. 

My memory isn't the greatest admittedly, but wasn't he overpaying dudes too?  

I feel like we were complaining about Hurney plenty when he was here.

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6 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

I had a different perception because I was a lot younger, but the Chris Weinke days stick out to me as being the worst.

I remember destroying a signed Chris Weinke ball I had as a kid with a buddy of mine and yelling Chris Weinke sucks Weinke.

Weinke days was 1 year long in 2001. We were in the Super Bowl 2 years later after we got Peppers and Gross in back to back drafts. This has been 7 years of 2-7 wins per year and no draft picks as good as either of those two players.

Same goes for Clausen. Like Weinke, his days were 1 year and 5 years later we went to the SB after we draft Cam and Luke back to back.

I don’t know if you are trying to be obtuse but nothing in the Panthers past comes close to the 7 year long debacle we are in right now.

The Weinke and Clausen “days” were both shorter than the past 7 years and both ended in Super Bowl appearances.

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9 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

My memory isn't the greatest admittedly, but wasn't he overpaying dudes too?  

I feel like we were complaining about Hurney plenty when he was here.

He paid his players well for sure. Thing is with modern front offices Is that you have a cap team and a scout team on top of the GM along with player personale team and a ton of other moving parts. 

GM makes the most money and typically has final say on moves and such, so they take the blame. 

 

We kept a ton of the same scouts from pre Hurney to post Hurney. 

 

Didn't really do a full sweep til they hired Rhule...

 

Go look at the drafts and see if that scouting team and GM wasn't the best we've had by a long shot. 

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3 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Weinke days was 1 year long in 2001. We were in the Super Bowl 2 years later after we got Peppers and Gross in back to back drafts. This has been 7 years of 2-7 wins per year and no draft picks as good as either of those two players.

Same goes for Clausen. Like Weinke, his days were 1 year and 5 years later we went to the SB after we draft Cam and Luke back to back.

I don’t know if you are trying to be obtuse but nothing in the Panthers past comes close to the 7 year long debacle we are in right now.

The Weinke and Clausen “days” were both shorter than the past 7 years and both ended in Super Bowl appearances.

I just don't look at it like that.  I look at the moment individually.  How optimistic I am about the roster, staff, all that jazz.

If you are talking about success over a large window of time, I absolutely get that argument.

I just don't view it that way, because I don't think they are linked that way.  More of an "any given Sunday" type, I guess.

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16 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Yea, I saw that post and had to roll my eyes. We have never been as bad as we are now and during this 7 year no playoff drought. 
 

Getting on Panthers fans for not being positive enough is crazy to me. The panthers are lucky that there’s still some interest in the program. 

The first 2-3 years I was defending and telling fans to chill........Year 4 or when BY was drafted, I joined the "haters". My deal is Ive never used forums to bitach, but Im slowly learning and I still hate doing it. Huddle does work best as a release, its been bad 7 years without no light/hope. There's no prime young talent or game changers on this team. Sure the best Panthers have is dbrown and horn, big fan and all.....but either have won games.....that's why you have 5 wins at the end of season.....

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43 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

His hit rate was not as stellar as that. It's just that his hits were some of the best in franchise history. 

He is just a less floaty turd in comparison to the other turds we have had as a GM.

2002 - Julius Peppers (future Hall of Famer)
2003 - Jordan Gross (perennial Pro Bowler/All Pro)
2004 - Chris Gamble (decade+ shutdown corner)
2005 - Thomas Davis (perennial Pro Bowler/All Pro)
2006 - DeAngelo Williams (Pro Bowler)
2007 - Jonathan Stewart (Pro Bowler), Jeff Otah (injury bust)
2011 - Cam Newton (MVP)
2012 - Luke Kuechly (future Hall of Famer)
2017 - Christian McCaffrey (Offensive Player of the Year; perennial Pro Bowler/All Pro)
2018 - D.J. Moore (perennial Pro Bowl snub)
2019 - Brian Burns (perennial Pro Bowler)
2020 - Derrick Brown (Pro Bowler)

Out of all of these picks, exactly three (Gamble, Otah, and Moore) failed to make a Pro Bowl. Of those, Gamble and Moore were/are fantastic, while Otah was a bust due to injury (that was still an All-Rookie player in 2008).

You'd be hard pressed to find a better resume in the first round.

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Canales could be a good coach, but unfortunately, he’s not going to get a chance to show that here. He is tied to Bryce Young now, and when you get rid of Bryce, it would be wise to dump both Morgan and Canales as well. The time for Canales to get rid of Bryce was last year. 

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3 minutes ago, TN05 said:

2002 - Julius Peppers (future Hall of Famer)
2003 - Jordan Gross (perennial Pro Bowler/All Pro)
2004 - Chris Gamble (decade+ shutdown corner)
2005 - Thomas Davis (perennial Pro Bowler/All Pro)
2006 - DeAngelo Williams (Pro Bowler)
2007 - Jonathan Stewart (Pro Bowler), Jeff Otah (injury bust)
2011 - Cam Newton (MVP)
2012 - Luke Kuechly (future Hall of Famer)
2017 - Christian McCaffrey (Offensive Player of the Year; perennial Pro Bowler/All Pro)
2018 - D.J. Moore (perennial Pro Bowl snub)
2019 - Brian Burns (perennial Pro Bowler)
2020 - Derrick Brown (Pro Bowler)

Out of all of these picks, exactly three (Gamble, Otah, and Moore) failed to make a Pro Bowl. Of those, Gamble and Moore were/are fantastic, while Otah was a bust due to injury (that was still an All-Rookie player in 2008).

You'd be hard pressed to find a better resume in the first round.

Why was peppers picked #2? Why was Cam picked #1? Many others in the 8 range, you know why- Panthers had a terrible W-L record compared to the league. 

Herniay was great as they could in the 1st, team-wise and building a team come from drafting well in rounds 2-7. His free agency history is horseshit same as his team building, but given those 1st rounders had huge load carrying shoulders it saved his overall failure. 

He was the worst at signing panthers- Charles Johnson and his agents nearly poo bricks, they never thought a offer like that would happen. All the over-paying RBs, when the league was not. Panthers had two in the top 5, why??   I still member the year gettlegut signed 36 year old peppers to 3.5million. Hernaiy replaced him cause of the Olsen and TD crying(gettlegut was right), next year hernia gave him 5 million for a 37 year old. He alllllways gave away too much cap space..... 
 

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1 hour ago, BlazeCarolina said:

It is unbelievable to me how negative this place is right now.  Might be time to take a vacation.

What do you expect?

7 years of dreadful football from a pro team will do that

and dreadful is what  they are and it is inexcusable 

To a fan of pro football, they present as unmotivated, overmatched, underperforming, not prepared,  and untenable.

the only player on that  roster  worth a tinker’s damn is Chuba.  That’s it, Chuba 

the rest get their paychecks and they should be damned glad to get them, including Canales

they are consistently the worst team on the field 

 

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