Is Tepper going to clean the house again after this season?

[CarolinaLivin]

I think its too early to tell what happens with the staff. Obviously im not speaking of evero with that statement. I think whether or not we clean house will become clearer as the season goes on. Canales still needs to improve as a coach and playcaller. We will see how he navigates this season. He did improve some over the course of last season but he isn't a top 20 HC as of right now. Probably not even top 25. 

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I think Canales is safe no matter what. If he gets to select his own QB and he sucks next season that may be all she wrote. 
Evero should have been fired last season. I think Tepper has given Canales a long rope. 

why would you let that 3rd season play out like that.......let what by all accounts is a bad coach use your first round pick on a QB he wants in year 3(or Tepper).....and then immediately fire him?  You then force the Canales QB on the next coach.  Cycle repeats. 

Canales had his chance to move on from Bryce Young.  It was last year when they buried him. 

[Lame Duck]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

why would you let that 3rd season play out like that.......let what by all accounts is a bad coach use your first round pick on a QB he wants in year 3(or Tepper).....and then immediately fire him?  You then force the Canales QB on the next coach.  Cycle repeats. 

Canales had his chance to move on from Bryce Young.  It was last year when they buried him. 

Exactly… this fanbase never learns.  We must fully reset… for the past 8 years we never fully reset and the fans seems to enjoy the 50 shades of NFL.

[TLGPanthersFan]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

why would you let that 3rd season play out like that.......let what by all accounts is a bad coach use your first round pick on a QB he wants in year 3(or Tepper).....and then immediately fire him?  You then force the Canales QB on the next coach.  Cycle repeats. 

Canales had his chance to move on from Bryce Young.  It was last year when they buried him. 

Because I still think Canales can be a good coach. We got to see what his offense is like when Dalton came in last year. I think getting a chance to to pick his own QB is something that should happen. Dude is only a second year HC. He isn’t like Reich who was a seasoned vet coach so there was no excuse for the team being as bad in 2023. 

Edited 7 hours ago by TLGPanthersFan

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Because I still think Canales can be a good coach. We got to see what his offense is like why Dalton came in last year. I think getting a chance to to pick his own QB is something that should happen. Dude is only a second year HC. He isn’t like Reich who was a seasoned vet coach so their was not excuse for the team being take bad in 2023. 

The Jags 1st year head coach made Canales look like a clueless moron. 

[CarolinaLivin]

I think Bryce Youngs "resurgence" from being benched last year ruined the chance to get rid of him. This is the make or break year and we know what its currently trending towards.

[hepcat]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The official story is that Tepper is no longer so hands-on as he used to be.

If this is true, it's a start.

It's not a guarantee of improvement though. There are still a lot of things that would have to change.

It doesn't matter that he's more hands off with the football decisions anymore. He spent the better part of 8 years breeding a toxic losing culture and he is still overseeing the management of the team. The leadership from the top down is broken, and until that is fixed nothing will change. 

[hepcat]

42 minutes ago, Lame Duck said:

You could put Madden as coach with prime Tom Brady into this team, we will win 3-5 games.  It’s the culture… it’s toxic.  After 8 years, some folks still did not figure it out.

I mean I know you're being hyperbolic but the point about the culture being toxic is spot on. Leadership is the problem. When the owner is permeating toxicity from the top, nothing else is going to work. The best example of this is Washington under Dan Snyder, and even they weren't as miserable as the Panthers have become. It's just a comical level of ineptitude and poor leadership from David Tepper. 

[CRA]

27 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Because I still think Canales can be a good coach. We got to see what his offense is like when Dalton came in last year. I think getting a chance to to pick his own QB is something that should happen. Dude is only a second year HC. He isn’t like Reich who was a seasoned vet coach so there was no excuse for the team being as bad in 2023. 

well, you suggested if he sucked year 3 with his dude (a rookie, they generally aren't great) then he would be fired.   So yeah, that's the cycle repeating.  Puts Canales' QB on the new hire.  You limit the new HC just like Canales was limited. 

I still contend the Panthers like always failed to follow through on a reasonable plan.  It sure looked like David Tepper green lighted Canales moving on from Bryce Young last year.  Bryce never fit the hire and was bad on top of that.    Canales got the thumbs up after a mere 2 games.  The entire sports world conceded it was over.  Biggest question was when and how we would part with him.  

Then the Panthers let the miracle comeback happen and somehow we have this weird and pointless season.   But Dave had his chance/opportunity that clear was Tepper approved.   I think for that reason, Canales got screwed because THIS season is when he should of gotten to pick a QB (even if it was a short term vet). 

[PNW_PantherMan]

12 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

The Jags 1st year head coach made Canales look like a clueless moron. 

Franchise is exactly the same age as us.  Has a former #1 overall pick that has underperformed, and a new underqualified HC that was Baker's OC for 1 season.  It's almost the same situation, but we got waxed by the Jags.  It sucks but I don't think Dan and Dave are it.

[hepcat]

3 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Franchise is exactly the same age as us.  Has a former #1 overall pick that has underperformed, and a new underqualified HC that was Baker's OC for 1 season.  It's almost the same situation, but we got waxed by the Jags.  It sucks but I don't think Dan and Dave are it.

Eh it's similar but it's not. The Jaguars won 9 games in both 2022 and 2023. The Jaguars no doubt have a better roster. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Eh it's similar but it's not. The Jaguars won 9 games in both 2022 and 2023. The Jaguars no doubt have a better roster. 

They won 4 games last year and they're on the first year of a new coach.  They have way more money tied up in their underachieving QB, and have less money to build the roster.  Dan had at least a 1 year head start, and even more if you count his time with Fitterer.

There's no reason DC should have been so thoroughly out coached.  And there's no excuse for our team being the worst in the NFL.

[TLGPanthersFan]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

well, you suggested if he sucked year 3 with his dude (a rookie, they generally aren't' great) then he would be fired.   So yeah, that the cycle repeating.  Puts Canales' QB on the new hire.  You limit the new HC just like Canales was limited. 

I still contend the Panthers like always failed to follow through on a reasonable plan.  It sure looked like David Tepper green lighted Canales moving on from Bryce Young last year.  Bryce never fit the hire and was bad on top of that.    Canales got the thumbs up after a mere 2 games.  The entire sports world conceded it was over.  Biggest question was when and how we would part with him.  

Then the Panthers let the miracle comeback happen and somehow we have this weird and pointless season.   But Dave had his chance/opportunity that clear was Tepper approved.   I think for that reason, Canales got screwed because THIS season is when he should have gotten to pick a QB (even if it was a short term vet). 

You are right. Even if Canales gets fired this season I am okay with it. New coach would likely get to choose his rookie QB and we would hopefully do the restart properly. 

[TLGPanthersFan]

21 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

The Jags 1st year head coach made Canales look like a clueless moron. 

Hey, hands up. Not defending Canales or how he coached Sunday. If he gets fired this year, whatever. I just remember how the offense looked before Daltons body forgot how to play football.