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9 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Since you also posted the Denver game, worth pointing out thumbing do anything for three quarters after the first drive until Denver went into garbage (Bryce) time. 

They got a meaningless late touchdown to make it a 14 point and give Bryce some yards. 

Since we’re moving into superlatives, they weren’t competitive at all in that game. 

and Bryce also got complete outshone by Bo Nix and anyone with pride would retire after that. 

 

I never said he had a good game in the Denver game.  As you said we had a good first drive ending in Bryce throwing a slant to XL for a TD.  It was garbage time but the back shoulder throw to Coker for the late TD was a great throw.   Throws like these in bad games are why I say he "can" do it and has the physical tools.  The question is can he do it consistently, continue to improve, grow and become our QB of the future.  Up to this point that was a hard no but with a new head coach and Bryce in his 2nd year it was 100% the right call to play out the year and see if he got better.  He did.  

Two games into this year is still more of the up and down quality of play and coaching but there is still plenty of potential and we have 16 more games to decide if it's worth it to continue down this path. I don't know what will happen but I know cutting him or benching him now makes zero sense on any level.

I said of those last 10 games we were only blown out in 2 of them.  I'll concede the Denver game was a blow out.  So 3 blowout loses and 7 competitive games, 4 of which we won, all decided by less than a TD.  Sounds like a team growing, improving and getting better.  All I want to do is see where that leads and if those examples of starting NFL level quarterbacking can continue to improve and become more consistent.  

Anyone with pride would retire?  Laughable.  Do all of you quit in your daily lives every time things get tough or don't go your way?  



 

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1 hour ago, Loyalty4Life said:

The team I watched after Bryce came back from his benching was very competitive and improving and trending in a very positive direction.

We went 4 and 6 in those 10 games.

Got blown out in 2 of them, Dallas and the 2nd TB game.  A team that is the opposite of competitive does not lose and win so many games by less than a TD.

Den - lose by 14
NO - win by 1
NYG - win by 3
KC - lose by 3
TB - lose by 3
Philly - Lose by 6
Dallas - lose by 16
Cards - won by 6 OT
TB - Utter blowout. lost by 34
ATL - won by 6

And this was with possibly one of the worst defenses in NFL history and a 1st year head coach and a lot of young players.

That is a team learning and being competitive but can't finish and hasn't learned how to be consistent.  Is it good enough? NO. NO. NO and triple dog NOOOO.  Not by a long shot but definitely not a stretch that says you fire everybody.

 

but you specifically were alluding to games Bryce was able to flip a switch and balled in....when it wasn't garbage time.  You protested that he didn't only flip the switch and ball in garbage time and listed games. 

just naming a close game doesn't equate to Bryce therefore balled.   Which is what I was calling out.   He didn't "ball out" in those games I selected from your list.  

Bar is so weirdly low w/ Bryce.  

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

but you specifically were alluding to games Bryce was able to flip a switch and balled in....when it wasn't garbage time. 

just naming a close game doesn't equate to Bryce therefore balled.   Which is what I calling out.  Depends on the game.  Which is why I called out games Bryce didn't ball out in but the Panthers competed in.  

The bar is so incredibly low that Bryce not straight up losing games single handedly for a team = balling out.

A bunch of people are going to say he balled out against Arizona in this game, but he's the biggest reason why the Panthers lost. 

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If it's any consolation, Stroud has looked like garbage since midway through last season, and Caleb Williams looks even worse. We took a shitty QB out of a bunch of shitty options.

Lowkey there's some optimism to be had at that because Bryce is the worst of the batch and will get us a higher draft pick. Worst case scenario was drafting Stroud and going 7-9 for the next decade.

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2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

A bunch of people are going to say he balled out against Arizona in this game, but he's the biggest reason why the Panthers lost. 

He was horrible all game....except the window AZ let him take checkdowns to bleed the clock away.   It really can't be viewed any other way.   

personally, I hate the strategy AZ employed because it can lead to exactly what we saw if your O falters.  You essentially are letting a team back in by design. 

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Just now, electro's horse said:

Is there anything more grating than forced optimism 

Who's forcing you to have optimism? Does someone have a gun to your head, or holding a family member hostage? Who cares if someone else has it? I never begrudge someone for being happy no matter how silly it is. 

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Just now, Jon Snow said:

Who's forcing you to have optimism? Does someone have a gun to your head, or holding a family member hostage? Who cares if someone else has it? I never begrudge someone for being happy no matter how silly it is. 

Oh no I have no optimism about this team. sorry if I was unclear. 

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

He was horrible all game....except the window AZ let him take checkdowns to bleed the clock away.   It really can't be viewed any other way.   

personally, I hate the strategy AZ employed because it can lead to exactly what we saw if your O falters.  You essentially are letting a team back in by design. 

If Kyler doesn't throw that Bryce interception.  If the onside kick isn't recovered.  The comeback never happens.  If we didn't get 32 penalties on the last drive that still got 0 yards.

I don't agree with the strategy either, but it took just about everything for them to let us back in the game late.

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2 hours ago, frankw said:

3rd season in the league third 0-2 start with two different coaching staffs and playing horribly at best when the games actually matter and we need to win.

But the jury is still out....lol

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Rookie QB, Frank Reich, no offensive line and limited skill positions.  No run game, bad defense but let's judge a player potential in that environment.  That season was something for Bryce to overcome, not a indication of the kind of QB he can be.  It's why I mostly disregard it, especially since we fired the entire coaching staff.

So, yes.  I'm calling 1 year and 2 games too early to blow it up when the team improved great from the year before.  I think I even called 5 wins before the season and was really only looking for progress and a solid plan and foundation with Canales.  Check.

In this 2nd year I said put the over/under at 8 wins and want to see Young take another jump in his progression.  That has not happened for the player or the coaches but we still have 16 more games to grow and produce.  If we don't and this is as good as Bryce can get, highs and lows then we'll move on and try something different.  If we do make a jump and go on a run and Bryce does make another jump then we are in business.

It happened last year despite everything and this is the NFL.  Unexpected stuff happens all the time.  Bryce becoming a top 15 QB won't even make it in the top 50 crazy and unexpected things that has happened in the NFL.
We've had one year and 2 games with Bryce, Canales, Morgan.  With the place the team started from and Bryce shitting the bed those first 2 games I was very impressed with how Canales handled Bryce and how Bryce responded.
 

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8 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Is there anything more grating than forced optimism 

I dont find anything grating at all about optimism. 

It drives the dude bros crazy though.

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8 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Who's forcing you to have optimism? Does someone have a gun to your head, or holding a family member hostage? Who cares if someone else has it? I never begrudge someone for being happy no matter how silly it is. 

You can tell who's formative years were spent online vs outside.

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1 minute ago, Loyalty4Life said:

 

Rookie QB, Frank Reich, no offensive line and limited skill positions.  No run game, bad defense but let's judge a player potential in that environment.  That season was something for Bryce to overcome, not a indication of the kind of QB he can be.  It's why I mostly disregard it, especially since we fired the entire coaching staff.

So, yes.  I'm calling 1 year and 2 games too early to blow it up when the team improved great from the year before.  I think I even called 5 wins before the season and was really only looking for progress and a solid plan and foundation with Canales.  Check.

In this 2nd year I said put the over/under at 8 wins and want to see Young take another jump in his progression.  That has not happened for the player or the coaches but we still have 16 more games to grow and produce.  If we don't and this is as good as Bryce can get, highs and lows then we'll move on and try something different.  If we do make a jump and go on a run and Bryce does make another jump then we are in business.

It happened last year despite everything and this is the NFL.  Unexpected stuff happens all the time.  Bryce becoming a top 15 QB won't even make it in the top 50 crazy and unexpected things that has happened in the NFL.
We've had one year and 2 games with Bryce, Canales, Morgan.  With the place the team started from and Bryce shitting the bed those first 2 games I was very impressed with how Canales handled Bryce and how Bryce responded.
 

the problem with the we need more time mindset as this point.......is we know time will not change many issues Bryce Young has.   Most importantly, he just flat out doesn't have the physical tools you want in a NFL QB.    And those issues are at the foundation of why he is such a bad QB to date. 

 

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