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Mr. Scot

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6 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

It is not trying to explain away. Bryce only played well when the game was out of reach. As soon as there was a chance the Cards could lose the game they put their foot back on the gas and smothered Bryce and that was with multiple defenders out because of injury.

Just go compare his stats from the first half and our last drive of the game vs the first 28min of the second half. 

That drive where our starting center and our best offensive lineman were out?

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Are there Bryce homers? 🤔

I know there are some folks who, even if he has the game of his life, will never forgive him for not being 6'3.

(or, in some cases, not being Cam Newton)

I don't give a sh-t about his size if he can consistently play at an NFL level. 

Sadly, the jury's still out on that. I have seen him play well, but not enough that I'm confident.

He has never once played well in a meaningful NFL game.

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Are there Bryce homers? 🤔

I know there are some folks who, even if he has the game of his life, will never forgive him for not being 6'3.

(or, in some cases, not being Cam Newton)

I don't give a sh-t about his size if he can consistently play at an NFL level. 

Sadly, the jury's still out on that. I have seen him play well, but not enough that I'm confident.

The jury isn't out. He is simply not an NFL caliber starting QB. I will say that it is certainly possible in a few years after he makes his way through some other NFL stops that he develops but I find that very unlikely.

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OL got better over time. High snaps are still an issue. Mayes didn't look much better than Corbett but his balls were low enough. Senior Citizen Calais Campbell was owning our interior. 

The run offense wasn't good but we were also playing from behind the entire game due to early mistakes. Later in the game we were running it decently on first and second downs. The short yardage plays had to be designed with chuba as a fullback to get anything. Defenses seem to know when Rico is about to get the ball. They were on him almost immediately every time. 

XL not mentally there. He was trying to do too much or not doing enough. 

The TEs were used really well in the 3rd&4th to eat up dink and dunk yardage. All 3 of our guys were getting looks. 

Brycen seems like a steal. One handed catch behind him was unreal. That should have been a pick. 

Renfrow is getting a lot of looks. He's still putting his body on the line too much to catch some of these horrible balls. 

TMac looked great. There was 1 ball where he should have caught it which was broken up. But pretty much everything else was a big positive yardage play and showing more shiftiness than I thought he would. 

Defensive line turned up. It took them a while. Getting Princely and Nick in helps a lot too. Keeps the older guys fresh. 

Both MLBs are awful. Bad angles. Bad play diagnosis. Bad wrap up. No coverage skills. McBride was eating them up. Kyler's big run was from what should have been a sure-fire sack. Need some more energy and beef from the MLBs in this scheme. 

nick scott... 

Ransom looked like he wanted to hit someone and enforce the middle. 

Moehrig still needs to show us something more. 

They tried to pick on Mike Jack but he started making plays. Don't think they tested Jaycee that much outside of running the ball his way sometimes. 

The tackling at times was really poor. If it wasn't for Arizona constantly shooting themselves in the foot with holding penalties and kyler being kyler, this game could have easily been worse. 

Special teams was tackling better after a while. Kicker looks good. The onside kick was crazy. 

I don't like Bryce. I don't like his playstyle. I don't like what it requires to keep him serviceable. He made some good plays throughout the game. But he also put us in the hole to begin with. I would have liked for Bryce to hit the weight room harder by the 3rd year in the league. I need him to clean up his fumbles. More than throwing costly interceptions, he's fumbling the ball more often than not. He just doesn't have the strength to hold on. Weird that Kyler threw the same lame duck interception as him. 

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8 minutes ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

What impact then? That's usually what you say if your stud DT is anchoring a strong run D, but we're not stopping the run. I notice top DT's all the time. Chris jones, Jalen Carter, Q Williams, Vita Vea, J Simmons etc . Look what Calais Campbell just did to us. I'll give Brown a pass for now because he's coming back from a season ending injury, but his impact has been disappointing 

Compare Campbell's supporting cast to Brown's 

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41 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The Good: WR Corps minus XL, Sanders, CB's

The Bad: LB's, DL, Coaching, Run Game, OL Health

The Ugly: Bryce, XL

Guess I'm the only one that thought the D played well today.

The Cards were just repeatedly targeting Rozeboom and Scott - short of just benching them for rookies I don't know what Evero is meant to do there.

He dialled up a perfect blitz on that Murray 30 yard scramble and Rozeboom just whiffed. Should have been a 15 yard loss, drive over.

Jimmy's and Joe's, ladies and gentlemen. 

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    • Mr. Scot
      Why does Bryce get the blame?

      By Mr. Scot · Posted

      They're examples of denying reality. Here are some others: ,- Bryce is the worst QB in the NFL right now (no he isn't) - Bryce is the worst QB in NFL history (no he's not; that's stupid) - Well then Bryce is at least the the worst QB in the league over the last three years (nope, he's actually improved a lot since year one, which was a turbulent year anyway) - That's not true, he hasn't Improved one but since his rookie year (oh come on) 🙄 - Well, even if he did, we can't win with him (obviously we can) - Yeah but not unless everyone else is damn near perfect (think the game film from our wins this year would back that up?) - Even so, we won those games in spite of him (officially the stupidest argument available) And no, those are made up. You can find those quotes and other equally moronic statements in various threads around the board. I know some folks always need to characterize whatever they're against as the worst thing in existence. It's hyperbole, and it's hypersilly. Likewise, you've got some who are so absolutely emotional about it that even if you think Bryce isn't good enough (which I do) they'll still call you a stan if you don't agree to label him the lousiest passer in existence 🙄 It's just dumb, and it's not realistic. But on the flipside, here are some statements which are; - Bryce is indeed capable of both playing in, and winning, an NFL game. Not on a consistent level though, and consistency is huge. - He is also capable of completing mid-range and even some deep passes; hell, he threw a beauty this past Sunday  - Yes, he has improved over his rookie season and over last year. Arguing against that is disingenuous. - Believe it or not, other players are the roster do make mistakes in games also.  - And lastly, while I know it hurts some people's narrative and arguments, Bryce does indeed deserve credit for the winning games he's played in this season. ... Every single one of those statements is true. And since i acknowledge all that, I must be in favor of keeping him in place then Except I'm not 😕 ... Don't know of anyone who doesn't think he'll get the fifth year option. Not ready to guarantee anything beyond that, though. So bottom line: Yeah, Bryce is fully expected to be our quarterback through next year. If there were a logical, realistic path to acquire a more capable starter and transition Bryce to a backup I'd be elated, but that's a pipe dream. This where we're at  I don't **** it, you don't like it, others don't either. But here We are so let's make the best of it that we can.
    • carolinanimal
      Ekwonu doesn’t get dog walked under 2 minutes in the 4th, we drive, kick a FG and win

      By carolinanimal · Posted

      What does it matter how fast the wrs are with Bryce he is not hitting them anyway
    • frankw
      Ekwonu doesn’t get dog walked under 2 minutes in the 4th, we drive, kick a FG and win

      By frankw · Posted

      Let's be real. Signing Matt Kalil who was at the time inconsistent at best was always an extremely risky move and largely initiated by the fact he was related to one of our most prominent players Ryan Kalil. Memories get fuzzy the longer time passes I guess. Go watch some old Panthers games with Ted Ginn nearly losing us games. Then watch Cam Newton keep going back to him again and again and again. Then read all the Xavier Legette criticism while making excuses for Bryce being swept by rookie 2nd round pick Tyler Shough. Throwing TMac under the bus is just further proof how deranged the Bryce Young defense force has become. Bryce Young can barely compete in this gutter iteration of the NFC South. Let's see him take this WR core to the playoffs in an NFC South with Drew Brees and Matt Ryan
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