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Be careful what you wish for

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strato Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, cranky said:

He outperformed Mayfield, Darnold and Jones statistically when compariing their second year of play. Did you watch any of the games after he came off the bench last season?

Your use of stats to advocate for Bryce being better than he really is, is why I don’t really take some of the stats arguments seriously. I can see what he is. 

And I have not watched the games this year but have scoped some post analysis, but I watched every snap for the first two years, some twice. 

He doesn’t look like some different guy in year 3. He is the same guy he was, and further - pretty much the same as he was in college. Unfortunately. 

I am getting a pretty big whiff of Stan here. Here is how I see your future: one day you will finally realize he is a failure at professional football. When that happens, you won’t be making boast posts about how good he was in year two anymore, you will be posting about how the Panthers ruined him his first season. With a straight face. 

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1 minute ago, cranky said:

I just highlighted previous Panthers QB's that the board has trashed. The others were added as they had similar fates.

prior to Bryce Young being drafted #1 overall he was being compared to other NFL HOF Qbs

Drew Bees

Peyton Manning 

Patrick Mahomes 

does any of that make any sense right now  ? if not , then thats a good example of why you should not compare players.

when evaluating a player focus on just that one particular player the good & bad in order to get a true assessment 

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12 minutes ago, cranky said:

Afraid I don't have a solution other than being patient. I am sure that won't go over well with most people here but it's early in the season. Hopefully he can build on his second half from last week.

How would you be patient?   He gets this year and then what?   I gave you the only 3 options 

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5 minutes ago, strato said:

Your use of stats to advocate for Bryce being better than he really is, is why I don’t really take some of the stats arguments seriously. I can see what he is. 

And I have not watched the games this year but have scoped some post analysis, but I watched every snap for the first two years, some twice. 

He doesn’t look like some different guy in year 3. He is the same guy he was, and further - pretty much the same as he was in college. Unfortunately. 

I am getting a pretty big whiff of Stan here. Here is how I see your future: one day you will finally realize he is a failure at professional football. When that happens, you won’t be making boast posts about how good he was in year two anymore, you will be posting about how the Panthers ruined him his first season. With a straight face. 

No, if he ends the season doing badly I'll admit it. I'm not so invested in him or my ego that I can't admit that everyone on the board was right. In the meantime, I have hope he can turn it around

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Honestly what planet do you live on?

Be careful what you wish for was relevant before David Tepper.  Now there's nowhere to go but up.  The worst case scenario is we stay the same.  We can't be relegated.  We're already uncompetitive and don't even look like an NFL team.  And we haven't in quite some time.  In fact, you could have a 10 year old child that's never seen a competitive Panthers team.

So what exactly are you afraid of?

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4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

How would you be patient?   He gets this year and then what?   I gave you the only 3 options 

Not sure there are any other options at this time or they would have already implemented them. I think Canales needs to do a better job with time management, play calling and having the players ready but I can't make any of that happen. I think him supporting Legette is fine but I don't think he has earned the no 2 receiver spot - hell, not even the 3 or 4 spot but I would guess he will still be out there next Sunday. I don't thnk Evero should have been brought back but he was. 

Again, I don't have an answer - I just don't think Young is as much of the problem as most people here believe.

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1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Honestly what planet do you live on?

Be careful what you wish for was relevant before David Tepper.  Now there's nowhere to go but up.  The worst case scenario is we stay the same.  We can't be relegated.  We're already uncompetitive and don't even look like an NFL team.  And we haven't in quite some time.  In fact, you could have a 10 year old child that's never seen a competitive Panthers team.

So what exactly are you afraid of?

Bryce turning into who he never was somewhere else? It psychosis based on a sold fantasy that had no contact with actual reality.

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21 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

The team is going to do whatever they do. Being angry at the player for the teams stupidity is misplaced outrage. Of course it will be a bad investment to extend him. But what can I do to make it not happen? I can promise you that whatever happens with Young an extension here is the last thing I'm worried about at the moment. The only reason he is starting right now is they have no other choice. Thats on the GM and coaches to deal with. 

I get that. Im just saying with the comment be careful what we wish for with moving on from Bryce, this is the position we're in. Its almost extension time so we're going to have to make a choice soon. The beginning of year 3 looks the same as years 1 and 2 and thats not good for us as a franchise. 

We need a better plan for QB development in place for sure. Whoever our next rookie QB is, overall 1 or round 2 or 3, they need to sit the 1st year behind a vet. No more trade ups for QBs. That 1st year on the bench seems to be far more valuable. Our FO needs to get their poo together before Bryce or any other QB really stands a chance at success. 

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5 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I get that. Im just saying with the comment be careful what we wish for with moving on from Bryce, this is the position we're in. Its almost extension time so we're going to have to make a choice soon. The beginning of year 3 looks the same as years 1 and 2 and thats not good for us as a franchise. 

We need a better plan for QB development in place for sure. Whoever our next rookie QB is, overall 1 or round 2 or 3, they need to sit the 1st year behind a vet. No more trade ups for QBs. That 1st year on the bench seems to be far more valuable. Our FO needs to get their poo together before Bryce or any other QB really stands a chance at success. 

My crystal ball tells me another qb will be brought in to compete for the starting job and if Young is here no extension will be offered going into year 4. It does not reveal where said qb will come from.  For another $100 I can try again.

 

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3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

My crystal ball tells me another qb will be brought in to compete for the starting job and if Young is here no extension will be offered going into year 4. It does not reveal where said qb will come from.  For another $100 I can try again.

 

What if Young starts playing like he did after his benching last season. What does it say then?

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      Does he not already do that? The go route stuff is to just make space for the constant dink and dunk. That's why it dries up near the 20 where it gets tough.  Difficult to defend? Just get up in scores and lean into it. If they can send pressure without going too soft in coverage it will work agaisnt the Panthers.  I still think the offense is a QB away from instant improvement. 
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      I don't know how about 5 at this point. I think that window has closed. Getting the easy stuff early and being notoriously unprepared every year is blowing up in their faces. 3 might be the max. Good Bryce shows up when the other team is having a practice game or an off weak after watching our film. It's basically a sucker punch to teams mailing it in. Groundhog day? More like Groundhog year again
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      It's a weak take like it was a weak game. It was garbage time against backups. That's his shine time. It's should be made fun of because it was pathetic. The WRs were gassed? What about the backup DBs? Those guys must have been really tired since they sit on the bench most of the time. Take that BS and go whine to someone else. man or zone they played off the line and back 10 yards in soft ass coverage. That and practice is all Young is good at. When the other team plays like they want to win he shuts down. Same as last year. Blah blah blah
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