panthers offense 30 of 32 in yards per play

[strato]

30 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Saw this on reddit and not sure of the author but he had the data suggesting in 2025 Bryce throws as hard as most qbs. His issues are not arm strength but poor foot mechanics.

Interesting video of his drops and why he goes back to 10 yards.

And an analysis of the Arizona game good and bad. Nothing about can't throw off balance or on the run. More about taking care of the ball and trying to do too much which are very fixable like no turnovers by the offense on Sunday.

 

 

 

I looked at him and his arm and his footwork, before he was drafted. 
It was clear then it is clear now. He doesn’t have an arm that can flick a ball down the field using only the arm. 
I don’t see his arm as good by NFL standards. I see it as something he must overcome. So I quibble with the characterization. 

What I completely agree with is if he does not do his mechanics and footwork right his velocity and accuracy suffers. 
If he is diligent and adheres to proper execution, yeah he can make do with his arm. 
That sort of is what it is at this point. 
Another aspect of it is he needs to use maximum effort to go downfield or to really drive a ball with any kind of heat. That (max effort) hinders accuracy. I have talked about this before. 
He is at a disadvantage having to max exert compared to a guy that can use a very repeatable easier throwing motion. 
Up to him if he can proof the pudding and hang with the big dogs.

 

[CRA]

Last year folks were gaslighting that Bryce was the best deep passer in the NFL despite not ever making plays downfield 

NOW, he has A+++++++ arm strength one notch down from Brett Favre S Tier arm strength? 

And people complain people are Bryce “haters” for arguing against all this type wildness lol. 
 

 

[frankw]

22 minutes ago, strato said:

I looked at him and his arm and his footwork, before he was drafted. 
It was clear then it is clear now. He doesn’t have an arm that can flick a ball down the field using only the arm. 
I don’t see his arm as good by NFL standards. I see it as something he must overcome. So I quibble with the characterization. 

What I completely agree with is if he does not do his mechanics and footwork right his velocity and accuracy suffers. 
If he is diligent and adheres to proper execution, yeah he can make do with his arm. 
That sort of is what it is at this point. 
Another aspect of it is he needs to use maximum effort to go downfield or to really drive a ball with any kind of heat. That (max effort) hinders accuracy. I have talked about this before. 
He is at a disadvantage having to max exert compared to a guy that can use a very repeatable easier throwing motion. 
Up to him if he can proof the pudding and hang with the big dogs.

Whether it's consistently seeing the field his arm talent his mechanics it all points to a limited player that needs virtually everything to go right in order to possibly begin to overachieve or play at an elite level. Some people are willing to accept average at best but that's not what we're here for. This is a business.

[CRA]

If everything is perfect, every QB in the NFL can throw a heater that isn’t too far downfield.   Thats not how anyone on Earth talks about arm strength.  

Cam Newton had arm strength by NFL standards.   Bryce doesn’t.  It’s not complicated.  

[Diehardpanth02]

3 hours ago, frankw said:

To be clear I do not think Bryce Young is necessarily inaccurate in the sense that he can't hit the broad side of a barn the issue is his arm talent is so lacking and he needs perfect circumstances to make certain throws and those circumstances are very rare. The best and even some of the not so great QB's can deliver absolute dimes under pressure and off balance. That is physical talent. Bryce cannot do that and that is an advantage to any defense worth their salt unfortunately. He does not have any semblance of physical talent to separate him from other higher end starters. That was an unnecessary risk we took in trying to build our entire franchise around a guy like that. But we can't keep doubling and tripling down over it.

You’re not wrong, hopefully he proves us wrong. But it’s hard to have faith with what he puts on film. If he were to get more creative with his legs and open up avenues I think it could go a long way with us. But he definitely will never be a Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes when it comes to arm talent and ability to make things happen.

 

the good news is big games have been won with ball control, and game managers at QB. So if we can put a roster around him for now we should be able to keep searching for that guy while he holds down the fort.

 

[strato]

24 minutes ago, frankw said:

Whether it's consistently seeing the field his arm talent his mechanics it all points to a limited player that needs virtually everything to go right in order to possibly begin to overachieve or play at an elite level. Some people are willing to accept average at best but that's not what we're here for. This is a business.

Yeah we are gonna find out one way or the other I hope. 
I am of the mind that it will always be this compacted playing field style ball. Non opened up. And you put a guy with the real NFL arm in and it will be obvious, like it was the last two years in week three. 
 

if Bryce can do the legit job -not garbage time but in a competitive game - to the degree where people fear him… I will be surprised (and good for him if so).
I think it is a tall order pun intended. 
We have to see some real proof, I hope, before they give him a huge contract. We wring our hands worrying that they will do that on less than rock solid proof that he can play up to it. 

Edited 3 hours ago by strato

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Last year folks were gaslighting that Bryce was the best deep passer in the NFL despite not ever making plays downfield 

NOW, he has A+++++++ arm strength one notch down from Brett Favre S Tier arm strength? 

And people complain people are Bryce “haters” for arguing against all this type wildness lol. 
 

 

Lmao fuging Pythagoras on Reddit out of nowhere

[rebelrouser]

I'm starting Tetairoa over Ladd McConkey this week in fantasy. This thread has me worried a bit but NE has no pass rush so I'm hoping for the first T-Mac TD of the year. His average reception is 15.4 yds, which is nice. 

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, strato said:

I looked at him and his arm and his footwork, before he was drafted. 
It was clear then it is clear now. He doesn’t have an arm that can flick a ball down the field using only the arm. 
I don’t see his arm as good by NFL standards. I see it as something he must overcome. So I quibble with the characterization. 

What I completely agree with is if he does not do his mechanics and footwork right his velocity and accuracy suffers. 
If he is diligent and adheres to proper execution, yeah he can make do with his arm. 
That sort of is what it is at this point. 
Another aspect of it is he needs to use maximum effort to go downfield or to really drive a ball with any kind of heat. That (max effort) hinders accuracy. I have talked about this before. 
He is at a disadvantage having to max exert compared to a guy that can use a very repeatable easier throwing motion. 
Up to him if he can proof the pudding and hang with the big dogs.

 

I think the videos didn't exactly line up with your analysis. Given you have been a vocal critic that tends to severely lower your objectivity and credibility to give an unbiased opinion.

[strato]

31 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I think the videos didn't exactly line up with your analysis. Given you have been a vocal critic that tends to severely lower your objectivity and credibility to give an unbiased opinion.

oh boy. Where to start or should I even bother…. 
 

Objectivity? Credibility? Where do I get certified like you are? 
I didn’t even look at those videos so no surprise. I didn’t need to look at more videos to know what his deal is. 

This is as simple as it gets. You look at his tape in college and at his pro day and the initial tape of his disastrous debut and it is all over the video. The things I talked about. 

Then you look at Canales last year and he had him doing proper footwork. You could see that he was doing it in the Buffalo drive in that preseason game.

 But Bryce abandoned that footwork in his first game against the Saints by the start of Quarter 2. It is on video for all to see. Regression to the comfortable. And the horrible. 
 

All I said is true, period. He just does not have the arm for many all arm throws and he certainly can’t stand flat footed and compete for velocity and distance with the guys that do have that kind of arm.

 He can only get his top velocity with the proper footwork and I have been preaching that since year one. . The message hasn’t changed. And that is HIS top velocity. Cam had a fastball. Bryce has off speed compared to that. To really sling one he has to max effort the throw. 

If you don’t want to acknowledge that throwing with max effort is less accurate than taking a little off, and seeing how that fits into the whole picture, maybe you lack objectivity and credibility. 

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, rebelrouser said:

I'm starting Tetairoa over Ladd McConkey this week in fantasy. This thread has me worried a bit but NE has no pass rush so I'm hoping for the first T-Mac TD of the year. His average reception is 15.4 yds, which is nice. 

Tet missed practice today with a calf 

[Icege]

Get the young guys to start holding on to some of those deep passes (at a catchable rate on par with the best at the moment, in spite of the misinfo some fans like to spread to keep their agenda going) and those yards per play jump.

Edited 27 minutes ago by Icege

[frankw]

Hmm let's see. Listen to a random graph or believe my own eyes which show poor ball placement and way too many 50/50 balls across 30+ career starts.

Also I've lost count how many passes I've seen Bryce throw downfield to the sideline that were heading out of bounds and the receiver had to make an acrobatic move just to attempt to haul it in. But more often than not that throw has been an incompletion.

BTW it's also not lost on me that the biggest general team fluffers here will waste absolutely no time in switching that up and throwing anyone necessary under the bus in order to prop up #9.