Not on Bryce

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, AggieLean said:

So it isn’t impossible? lol

I mean, the fact that teams have generational talents shows it’s not impossible

If you're counting on it every 10 to 15 years then more power to you. In the meantime you will just have to settle for whoever is available in the draft for us to choose from. I'm guessing there will not be a generational qb in every draft going forward. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

It's always on the QB on some level.

But I would agree that it's not ALL on Bryce. It damn sure isn't on defense and when you're getting drug up and down the field all game long it kind of forces the offense to throw, which negates our biggest strength on offense.

It's a combo of factors. Constantly playing catch-up, lack of a deep threat at WR, Bryce struggling with the deep pass anyway, injuries to the OL, bad play calling, talent/scheme mismatch.

It's a huge clusterfug, so why would the results not be the same?

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

you gotta think the locker room would fuging revolt at that idea

 

"wait, that little dude is our qb for the next 2 years?  Yeah no dawg get me out of here"

The Panthers announce that they're taking up the fifth year option on Bryce Young to much fanfare.

"Mr Morgan, it's T-Mac's agent on line one".

[OldhamA]

28 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

If you're counting on it every 10 to 15 years then more power to you. In the meantime you will just have to settle for whoever is available in the draft for us to choose from. I'm guessing there will not be a generational qb in every draft going forward. 

You can't just settle for a JAG.

Pick up a JAG in FA if that's what you plan to do.

That first round pick is so valuable - as we've seen by giving up 3 of them for Bryce Young - if you don't think the QB there at your pick is the guy (he doesn't have to be 'the franchise', he just has to give you a chance to win each and every week) then pick the best player at a position of need.

There's no shame in running a Geno Smith out there rather than Drafting a Bo Nix.

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, AggieLean said:

Was listening to fan 99.9 this morning on YouTube, and the guy speaking was spot on with what Carolina needs. We have to have a qb that’s a program builder/changer. A qb that can come in and pretty much change the culture of the program. 
 

Man, we had that with Cam. For this thing to work, the panthers have to find a QB of that nature. A Cam, a Burrow, Allen, etc. It’s tough to find, but the panthers have to find that. I don’t trust Morgan to find that player though 

We don't need a unicorn.

Whilst you'd love to run in to a Brees, a Brady, a Peyton Manning - you don't need that.

Eli Manning was perfectly fine. Allen is perfectly fine (he's absolutely not a culture changer, he's just a weirdly phenomenal player).

We simply need a QB that gives us a shot each and every week - one that makes the D have to defend the whole field and hits that walk in TD to Renfrow / T-Mac that Young has repeatedly missed this season with his inability to throw the ball deep. 

[Jon Snow]

6 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

You can't just settle for a JAG.

Pick up a JAG in FA if that's what you plan to do.

That first round pick is so valuable - as we've seen by giving up 3 of them for Bryce Young - if you don't think the QB there at your pick is the guy (he doesn't have to be 'the franchise', he just has to give you a chance to win each and every week) then pick the best player at a position of need.

There's no shame in running a Geno Smith out there rather than Drafting a Bo Nix.

The only option you have is to get a guy from the group that is available. As you are well aware that if you do not have a competent qb you have no shot at competing. If you are constantly picking in the top 10 you need a qb plain and simple. Like it or not we will be in the marker for a rookie and a veteran this offseason. Let's hope at least one of them is worth the roster spot.

Edited 1 hour ago by Jon Snow

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

Allen is perfectly fine (he's absolutely not a culture changer, he's just a weirdly phenomenal player).

Having a weirdly phenomenal player at QB IS a culture changer.

[Jmac]

Three seasons of builsh%t QB play is enough. No excuses anymore.

[OldhamA]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Having a weirdly phenomenal player at QB IS a culture changer.

Nah, that GM / HC combo is the difference in Buffalo. 

Allen puts them over the top for sure, but he's not the first guy in, last guy out. 

[OldhamA]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

The only option you have is to get a guy from the group that is available. As you are well aware that if you do not have a competent qb you have no shot at competing. If you are constantly picking in the top 10 you need a qb plain and simple. Like it or not we will be in the mark for a rookie and a veteran this offseason. Let's hope at least one of them is worth the roster spot.

Then you perpetuate the cycle.

Imagine finally ridding yourselves of Bryce Young to Draft Bo Nix at #6 (or whatever we end up picking it).

You're just slitting your own wrists as a franchise at that point. 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, OldhamA said:

Then you perpetuate the cycle.

Imagine finally ridding yourselves of Bryce Young to Draft Bo Nix at #6 (or whatever we end up picking it).

You're just slitting your own wrists as a franchise at that point. 

What other choice do they have? Taking someone's number 2 qb and expecting that guy to pull this team out of the basement is not a realistic expectation. It's like expecting Young to miraculously grow 6 inches and become a HOF qb. Thats not a sound strategy. 

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Nah, that GM / HC combo is the difference in Buffalo. 

Allen puts them over the top for sure, but he's not the first guy in, last guy out. 

I mean, that's literally what they said about him.

One of the most impressive attributes Allen displayed in his maiden year in professional football was his tireless work ethic. He was a “first one into the building and last one out” player, always looking for extra coaching after practice or wearing out the battery studying film on his Bills-issued iPad.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2019/01/25/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-2019-training-jordan-palmer/2676780002/

You don't go from the guy I watched in college at Wyoming to the NFL MVP without absolutely working your ass off.

[OldhamA]

8 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

What other choice do they have? Taking someone's number 2 qb and expecting that guy to pull this team out of the basement is not a realistic expectation. It's like expecting Young to miraculously grow 6 inches and become a HOF qb. Thats not a sound strategy. 

Depends what you're asking that QB to do.

Can he provide you with consistent, competent QB play? We saw how different it looked with the corpse of Dalton back there. Replace that with a 27 year old who can still take an NFL hit and suddenly you're not a national embarrassment. 

You're always looking for the QB that takes you over the top, but it's not a sound strategy to keep on throwing first round picks at QBs that you simply know aren't that guy. 

If we'd built it how we have now and then dropped in Mayfield or Darnold (which I thought was the right way to approach our QB search by the way) we'd be singing a different tune right now. 

Edited 1 hour ago by OldhamA

[Waldo]

17 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

You can't just settle for a JAG.

Pick up a JAG in FA if that's what you plan to do.

That first round pick is so valuable - as we've seen by giving up 3 of them for Bryce Young - if you don't think the QB there at your pick is the guy (he doesn't have to be 'the franchise', he just has to give you a chance to win each and every week) then pick the best player at a position of need.

There's no shame in running a Geno Smith out there rather than Drafting a Bo Nix.

All you do with a Geno is hit mediocrity so it could be worse than the Jag because the Jag gets you the next try vs Geno forcing you to stay with him and take shots on longershots later in thr draft. 

It may be better football to watch but it doesn't really get you past meh. As long as the staff keeps swinging then they could stumble into the next guy being the guy even on misses.