Mayock on Gabbert

[teeray]

There are plenty of people on the opposite side who are sure Newton is the next great QB.

I'm sure he has every ability to be the next great one. But he definitely has questions and things he needs to work on. But I feel that is true of any QB that ever comes out and i actually don't think it is exponentially higher with Cam than any other QB that is rated a high first rounder. Especially the physical side of it. His problems for me doesn't come from his projection to the NFL or talent. It is the character stuff. That is the only thing keeping this guy from being a slam dunk for number 1 overall.

[mav1234]

Gabbert on film looks pretty good. Gabbert on youtube does not. There's a difference. =P

[Jackofalltrades]

Newton has more than just the character flags, despite what you think you've "debunked."

[teeray]

Newton has more than just the character flags, despite what you think you've "debunked."

I think I just said that. I just consider the other stuff to be minor in nature and easily correctable.

Tell me this Jack. If he has so many red flags, and his mechanics is so far off, why would 6 NFL teams have him as the #1 overall prospect. How can he be that far off and have all this other character stuff and be that highly rated by multiple teams??

Serious question. Are these teams stupid??? Don't know any better??

I mean The Golden Calf of Bristol had legit mechanical deficiencies but off the chart intangibles but was rated in the late first round to second round.

Why would a guy that is so far off with his mechanics, according to you, and with off the field questions be rated so much higher than a guy that also has bad mechanics but is a great guy and a winner??

My belief is that because teams feel like he is pretty solid in every area except this off the field stuff. His mechanics are actually really good. Does he have some problems with is footwork sometimes?? Yes. But that is a pretty easy fix.

Does he need to adapt to an NFL offense? Yes, but actually so do QB's that come from pro systems and there is zero evidence that they do so quicker than QBs from non-traditional offenses in college.

Does he need to adjust to NFL defenses?? Yes, but so do all young QBs when they make that transition.

I don't believe he is perfect in every way. I just feel like he has no more questions than any other QB rated in the top ten would.

With the lone exception of the off the field stuff which in my belief is his biggest obstacle in deciding whether he will be picked first or 10th overall.

[nagai]

There are plenty of people on the opposite side who are sure Newton is the next great QB.

Anyone who is so sure about any prospect is fooling themselves. You can say a certain player is safe, and that they'll at least be OK given certain traits that transition well. To say someone like Newton is a guaranteed hit OR bust however, is being overly confident in something they don't really know.

[Catalyst]

Ick.

[KDawg004]

Blaine Gabbert- 44.3 percent, 6 TD, 5 INT<----3rd down efficiency. That's horrible.

[Udogg]

Honestly how would you possibly know. Did you ever have a conversation with him?? Who knows if he can read a defense. I don't know nuclear physics either but that doesn't mean I can't learn or am stupid because I don't.

That kind of uninformed bias speaks to another kind of ignorance.

He has no idea whether or not Cam can read defenses or even learn to read defenses. He just looked at him and assumed he was dumb. We all know why, but to say so would derail this post.

[unicar15]

You people who are down on Gabbert will be eating your words. The guy is going to be a franchise QB down the road and we are going to be pissed if we pass on him. He has all the tools...

[micnificent28]

You people who are down on Gabbert will be eating your words. The guy is going to be a franchise QB down the road and we are going to be pissed if we pass on him. He has all the tools...

he had all the tools at mizzo as well and look what that produced..:confused:

[Catalyst]

I honestly don't understand what the big deal is with this guy. He's got all the same question marks as Newton on the field without half the potential. He also had like half Cam's production last season.

I honestly have Christian Ponder and Jake Locker both rated above him, and I don't consider either of those guys 1st round quality prospects.

[BBQ&Beer]

Anyone who is so sure about any prospect is fooling themselves. You can say a certain player is safe, and that they'll at least be OK given certain traits that transition well. To say someone like Newton is a guaranteed hit OR bust however, is being overly confident in something they don't really know.

Stop using logic. This is the internet.

[MadHatter]

That bothers me too, especially after he criticized Cam without even bothering to watch his workout. He admits that Cam has a great arm and can make every throw, but he just assumes that Cam can't learn an NFL offense.

This is the same thing people were saying about Warren Moon when he was forced to go to Canada in order to play QB.

You need to understand....there is NOTHING that Cam can do in a workout to answer the biggest questions about him.

Can he make reads at the LOS....can he go through his progressions in the passing game....can he be successful under center (turning your back on the defense during your drop back and then re-engaging your eyes with your receivers). He did NONE of this at Auburn....and he can't do any of this in a workout.

No one is questioning his arm strength, touch, athletecism, etc... And those are the ONLY things he can show in a workout.

He is a huge boom or bust prospect. Teams will have to gather a ton from his interviews, and then blindly hope they are right about him.

[panthers55]

You need to understand....there is NOTHING that Cam can do in a workout to answer the biggest questions about him.

Can he make reads at the LOS....can he go through his progressions in the passing game....can he be successful under center (turning your back on the defense during your drop back and then re-engaging your eyes with your receivers). He did NONE of this at Auburn....and he can't do any of this in a workout.

No one is questioning his arm strength, touch, athletecism, etc... And those are the ONLY things he can show in a workout.

He is a huge boom or bust prospect. Teams will have to gather a ton from his interviews, and then blindly hope they are right about him.

Reading NFL defenses is something that all college quarterbacks have to learn to do. The fact that Newton has less experience means the transition takes longer but it isn't as if he is a huge risk for example and Gabbert isn't because he made a few reads that Cam didn't. Both would have adjustments to make. And as we all saw in 2010, being deemed NFl ready didn't exactly help Clausen all that much.

I agree on the boom element but don't believe the bust prospect is as big as you suggest. The things that doomed a Russell which was effort and discipline, don't seem to be an issue at all with Newton. Plus they will do chalk talks with Newton which is totally about presenting plays and finding out if he understands what read to make and where the ball should go. I am sure he and Whitfield have spent quite a bit of time on that. If he passes those tests, teams won't be concerned that he played in the Auburn offense. After all the Binn offense did require more reads than he had to make at Auburn and was more of a pocket passing offense if I remember correctly.

The bigger concern for me is that if the CBA drags on for a few more months it makes no sense to draft a quarterback at all since they will get little work and be of no benefit this year. Given that, we would actually be more likely to take a position ready guy like Peterson or Green and wait on a Qb for next year. I think whether or not the CBA gets settled will have a lot more to do with who we pick up then whether or not he can read defenses.