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4 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

The Panthers traded up for DJ Johnson at No. 80, just two picks before Tampa Bay took Yaya Diaby — and now Diaby looks like a breakout pass rusher while Johnson just got cut 

Diaby was one of many guys plenty of people around here were excited about.

Byron Young and Tuli were two in particular that completely presented themselves to us.  

It's rough to look back on.

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Just now, Panthercougar68 said:

Years into everyone’s tenure after 4 wins 5 wins 7 wins 4 wins etc lol 

Im in you’re boat now with things believe it or not but also realize this isn’t a quick fix.

 

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

Well there's a second Lombardi trophy over there in the midst of it all.

The dude saw Josh Freeman at QB

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1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

I've lost count of how many times I've heard the coach and or GM say we got our guy. They look for whatever they determine fits their system. Yet nearly every one of "their guys" end up a bust. Maybe they should consider taking the best guy available for a change and see how that goes? 

They were supposedly looking for football players and looking at production. As opposed to athletes. Looking for dawgs  

I really think Tepper meddled hard in the top of the 2024 draft and so that throws the value system out the window. This year I feel pretty good about the players we brought in, and the guys we picked on day three in 2024 yielded some dividends.  
 

Viewed through the lens of Tepper meddled round 1/2 and the later picks are pretty decent, and the 2025 yield looks strong, the narrative about shitty drafting may be dated. If you choose to separate the Tepper and the GM/HC picks it looks much better  

I don’t know if that scenario is accurate but I think it is reasonable to game it that way  

This with the misfit players drafted is timely. 
That is where continuity comes in. When you are changing coaches ever couple of years you get an abundance of players that can be ill suited. Plus it is hard on the players having to learn things and they have to think too much. I think we have seen that. 

I can’t say what we’d better do, not trying to turn it into that. But if we do not make the right decision on coaching and GM we will be doing it again in two years. At some point you know, you have to maybe stick with some people. I am not here to argue if those people are Dan and Dave just the concept. We have to have that. 

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Greenberg works directly with General Manager Jason Licht on all aspects of the salary cap, contract negotiations, compliance with the NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement, as well as the club's financial and strategic planning. He also oversees budgeting for all football operations, including the coaching, scouting, video, athletic training, equipment, groundskeeping, strength and conditioning and player development departments.

During the 2025 offseason, the Buccaneers once again placed an emphasis on retaining their own. Greenberg took the lead in the contract negotiations that led to new deals with guard Ben Bredeson and linebacker Lavonte David, while also aiding in the re-signing of wide receiver Chris Godwin, as well as the additions of free agent outside linebacker Haason Reddick and free agent punter Riley Dixon. David's contract was the sixth he has signed with Tampa Bay, all with Greenberg, as David enters his 14th season with the Buccaneers. In 2025, David will tie Derrick Brooks for the second-most seasons played in franchise history (15), trailing only Rondé Barber.

Working in tandem with Vice President of Football Research Jacqueline Davidson, Greenberg and his staff pieced together yet another noteworthy free agency haul in 2024, re-signing four of the NFL's top free agents in linebacker Lavonte David, wide receiver Mike Evans, quarterback Baker Mayfield and safety Antoine Winfield Jr., in addition to bringing back safety Jordan Whitehead, who was formerly a starter on the team's Super Bowl LV championship team. After managing to keep the team's core in place following its run to the NFC Divisional Round in 2023, Greenberg also helped add a number of value free agents including cornerback Bryce Hall, offensive lineman Ben Bredeson and wide receiver Sterling Shepard.

Greenberg received critical acclaim for his work this offseason, helping the Buccaneers navigate a challenging salary cap situation while re-signing key members of the team and retooling the club's roster through a series of value signings. Despite financial restraints, Greenberg orchestrated the extension of outside linebacker Anthony Nelson, plus the re-signing of cornerback Jamel Dean and linebacker Lavonte David, two of the NFL's top available free agents heading into the 2023 offseason. In addition, Greenberg advised on negotiations in the signings of free agent quarterback Baker Mayfield, defensive lineman Greg Gaines and kicker Chase McLaughlin.

In the 2022 offseason, Greenberg worked to sign several free agents, including wide receiver Russell Gage and defensive lineman Akiem Hicks. Greenberg also played a key role in negotiating contracts to re-sign cornerback Carlton Davis III, Pro Bowl receiver Chris Godwin, and Pro Bowl center Ryan Jensen.

The 2021 offseason resulted in the Buccaneers becoming the first team in the Super Bowl era to return all 22 starters after winning the Super Bowl. Greenberg played a crucial part in re-signing outside linebacker Shaquil Barrett, linebacker Lavonte David, tight end Rob Gronkowski, defensive lineman Ndamukong Suh, running back Leonard Fournette, while also extending Super Bowl LV MVP Tom Brady. Offensive lineman Donovan Smith also signed his second contract extension with the team in March.

In addition, Greenberg was able to negotiate a contract extension with nose tackle Vita Vea in Week 18 of the 2021 season.

During the 2020 offseason, Greenberg was vital in negotiating quarterback Tom Brady's two-year contract. He also oversaw the re-signings of former Pro Bowlers Jason Pierre-Paul and Ndamukong Suh, two key veteran presences on the Buccaneers defense. Greenberg was named a 2020 Tampa Bay Business Journal 40 under 40 honoree, in addition to also being listed on The Athletic's "NFL 40 Under 40: The rising stars shaping the direction of the NFL."

Fug it. Im sold...bring him in.

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50 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Diaby was one of many guys plenty of people around here were excited about.

Byron Young and Tuli were two in particular that completely presented themselves to us.  

It's rough to look back on.

You can see talent evaluation is still an issue with Dan Morgan. Drafting Johnathan Brooks over LB Edgerrin Cooper, who's a rising star for the Packers. Drafting XL over Ladd McConkey and Keon Coleman

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