The Dowdle Mirage - Play Calling Problems

[uncfan888]

This thread is dumb. But I do think canales gets too cute with play calling and I don't think he's a good coach

Edited 10 hours ago by uncfan888

[X-Clown]

12 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Was anyone actually pleased with today's play calling?

 

Nope, I thought they should have run more

[MHS831]

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At the end of the half, the clock would not allow us to use Dowdle.  It fell on Bryce's shoulders.  In my estimation, he did not try to score a TD by throwing a pass to TMAC or even XL at the back of the end zone about 10 feet off the ground where only they could get to it--He threw some out that had no chance of getting us six points but got the FG kicker four yards closer to pay dirt.  Decisions like that are inexcusable and reflect a lack of confidence or awareness.  I think his pussiness cost us a potential 4 points.  Either the pusiness was in the play calling (because Canales does not trust Bryce, thinking a pass to the back of the end zone would be a turnover) or it was a clear cut demonstration of a QB who does not understand how the game is played or what his weapons can do.  

Sometimes you can suck by what you fail to try, not just what you fail to do.

[tukafan21]

6 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Don’t get me wrong, when guys go off for career days like Dowdle just did, it covers a lot of blemishes - hence, the discussion still surrounding Bryce and how we won in spite of him.

But, saying if you take away 6 plays and applying that logic is like the inverse version but the same thing as that poo Bryce-riders do with their “if the receivers had caught these uncatchable balls on these 10 passes, he would’ve had 749 yards passing today” and the hidden yardage bullshit.  

The plays happened.  They were big plays.  That’s what we want.  Statistically, for most players, regardless of talent or position, big plays are the anomaly.  So eliminating them when they happen to hyper focus on what the averages would be without them is wild, respectfully.

See, it's posts like this that show me how many of you are taking my post as an anti Dowdle post and saying he didn't have a good game, but that's the furthest thing from my intention and what I'm trying to say.

Because that's the comparison you're making with Bryce, it's adding or removing a small handful of plays from their stats and saying "this is the game they could have had instead"

I'm literally only talking about the play calling from the game, it's literally in the title of the thread, that we still have play calling problems.

I'm saying that people are going to get stuck on the 200 yard rushing game by a player and extrapolate that to "well Canales must have called a good game" and I'm trying to say not to fall for that mirage.

Because 6 big runs do not make for a well called game when we had over 60 snaps.

Even beyond that, if you add in the two 20+ yard catches from T-Mac and the one XL had, and you're looking at 9 of over 60 snaps that accounted for close to 60% of our yards in the game.

That's a few big plays covering up for coaching deficiencies, that's NOT a well called 60 minutes of football.  You don't beat good football teams by having a handful of good plays a game scattered amongst boring predictable play calling.

Had he had the 200 yards because Canales' play calling was keeping the defense on their heels, not knowing what we were doing next, and Dowdle was ripping of 8-12 yard runs on a consistent basis, then yea, that would be something to be excited about with Canales finally calling a good game for a change.

Our offense is predictable and the play design is basic, there is nothing I've seen out of Canales' offense that says he's able to scheme and call plays to outsmart the defense, which is something all the elite offensive coaches are able to do in this day and age.

Edited 4 hours ago by tukafan21

[dpm0409]

Being a fan should be fun....we haven't had much fun in recent years....so why not just enjoy the team winning a damn game? 

Complaint threads after wins are weak....I'm just thrilled with every win we manage to secure, regardless of how we got it.

Do we still have a ton of problems, yes we do.  But the OP just seems to be digging a little too hard to find reasons to still be upset after a win.  You'll be happier as a human being if you can just allow yourself to enjoy wins without dissecting them for deficiencies.

[tukafan21]

25 minutes ago, dpm0409 said:

Being a fan should be fun....we haven't had much fun in recent years....so why not just enjoy the team winning a damn game? 

Complaint threads after wins are weak....I'm just thrilled with every win we manage to secure, regardless of how we got it.

Do we still have a ton of problems, yes we do.  But the OP just seems to be digging a little too hard to find reasons to still be upset after a win.  You'll be happier as a human being if you can just allow yourself to enjoy wins without dissecting them for deficiencies.

I've said this too many times to count, but just enjoying wins because we get them so infrequently is how shitty franchises continue to be shitty, because their fans are "just happy" when they get flawed wins.

I'd rather lose but show improvement in key areas such as play calling and QB play than win and still struggle in those areas.  Because until we improve in those areas, this team is going nowhere, so what is the fun in "enjoying" the 3-5 wins we get where we still don't look great while doing it?

I want to make the playoffs again, we won't get there because we win fluky games, we'll get there because we've improved as a team.  Show me improvement in a loss and I'll enjoy watching that game more than wins like this, because I care more about our long term high level success than shitty wins in lost seasons.

You watched that game and enjoyed a win, I watched that game and saw why we're still going nowhere as a franchise in the foreseeable future but won in spite of that.  It's been a decade since we've been decent, how are you not sick of "enjoying" those type of games?

Edited 1 hour ago by tukafan21

[Icege]

Rico had six runs that averaged for 27yds and that means the team is supposed to feed TMac?

Edited 1 hour ago by Icege

[tukafan21]

7 minutes ago, Icege said:

Rico had six runs that averaged for 27yds and that means the team is supposed to feed TMac?

Two separate issues

Yes, T-Mac 100% needs to be fed more, 8 targets out of 30 attempts when he's the only legitimate receiving threat right now is just dumb, but that has zero bearing on Rico's game.

Again, 6 good plays by Rico does not make for a well called game by Canales, I don't understand why that's so controversial of a thing to say.

Rico had a great game and final stats because he made a handful of great plays, not because Canales kept the Dolphins on their heels and because of it we ripped off constant 8-15 yard runs.  Had that been how he put up the 200+ yards, I'd be the first person to jump on here and congratulate Canales for calling a great game, but that's just not how it played out.

It's giving credit to Rico for the game he had, but still living in reality in the totality of the play calling of Canales from opening kick off to the final whistle.  Outside of those few runs, you can't tell me you weren't screaming at the TV for the majority of the game with Canales boring and predictable play calling (and play design).

That's all I was trying to say with this thread, that we can't give Canales a pass because Rico broke off a couple big plays, he still called a complete poo game as the offensive play caller.

As that's exactly what happened a couple weeks ago.  We win 30-0 in a rivalry game and half the fan base starts talking about how we're finally turning a corner and just stuck their head in the grounds to not see the glaring issues that we still saw in that game.  Then we get utterly blown out by a team that wasn't a complete disaster in their own right and fans fall back in disarray.

Edited 1 hour ago by tukafan21

[HaricotVert]

@tukafan21 bro you outed yourself as TMacs agent already.  Just own it

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, HaricotVert said:

@tukafan21 bro you outed yourself as TMacs agent already.  Just own it

I've admitted that it was a mistake for me to bring his name up in the OP because it's me, and of course people are going to take it as me just complaining about him not getting more catches.

But this has nothing to do with the player, it has to do with the play calling on the whole, and yes, part of it is not using your #1 WR more when you have next to nothing after him in the passing game.  

But I'd still have the exact same feelings right now if we didn't have T-Mac and we just had another equal caliber WR1 in his place, because to me, Canales still called a terrible game.  His play calling/design didn't get Rico his 200 yards, it was Rico taking a few carries for big yardage including breaking some tackles on those plays.

[HaricotVert]

12 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I've admitted that it was a mistake for me to bring his name up in the OP because it's me, and of course people are going to take it as me just complaining about him not getting more catches.

But this has nothing to do with the player, it has to do with the play calling on the whole, and yes, part of it is not using your #1 WR more when you have next to nothing after him in the passing game.  

But I'd still have the exact same feelings right now if we didn't have T-Mac and we just had another equal caliber WR1 in his place, because to me, Canales still called a terrible game.  His play calling/design didn't get Rico his 200 yards, it was Rico taking a few carries for big yardage including breaking some tackles on those plays.

But if the team youre playing is giving up 55 yard runs on the right side why not ride that?

As a fan base we have long criticized our coaches for their lack of game-day adjustments.  Looks like this team took what was working and "ran" with it

Edited 1 hour ago by HaricotVert

[tukafan21]

10 minutes ago, HaricotVert said:

But if the team youre playing is giving up 55 yard runs on the right side why not ride that?

As a fan base we have long criticized our coaches for their lack of game-day adjustments.  Looks like this team took what was working and "ran" with it

Half our drives were for less than 30 yards, I guess I just don't see it the same way you do.

Having 8 carries over 5 yards (and only 6 over 10 yards) out of 23 isn't exactly like we were taking advantage of a team that couldn't stop a team running to the right with smart play calling to rip off chunks of yards on a constant basis.

Which also is kinda my point... if the Dolphins were really having THAT much trouble stopping runs to the right, a better play caller and play designer should have been able to get us more than 8 runs (and only 7 in that direction) of more than 5 yards.  It's that Dowdle deserves the credit for breaking off those bigger runs, NOT Canales and his play calling.

My problem is with Canales' play calling from opening kick to final whistle on the whole, not a few selected plays where the player broke tackles and made great plays.

Edited 53 minutes ago by tukafan21

[HaricotVert]

Dont get it twisted bro.  I want BY9 and Canales gone.  I do not think they are the future.

But just like when we blanked Atl you give credit for executing a win when they earn it.

 

Ive long been skeptical of Monday Morning Quarterbacking.  We dont know the plan, we dont know the script, we dont know how they prepared, we only know what we saw.

And in that light its easy to pick nits.

I tend to accept the wins as - thats how they planned it and the losses as - well they fuged that up

Edited 46 minutes ago by HaricotVert

[mc52beast]

So basically what you’re saying is we won despite Canales sucking and Rico getting lucky on a few carries… on to the much hated Cowboys