Bryce's Achilles Heel Is Not What You Think It Is

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Honestly, I don't think his play puts in the bottom tier. His results do. Right now he's a middle of the road guy. 

Eh....I mean by just about every metric you can muster up he is in the bottom quarter of the NFL since coming into the league. 

It's been bad overall. Definitely some high points but the low points have been too frequent.

[MRenshaw]

On 10/15/2025 at 8:37 PM, fieryprophet said:

What often gets Young into trouble isn't an inability to execute a play, but his unwillingness to concede that the risk/reward ratio for a given decision simply isn't worth the attempt. 

Nice try, but don't foist this bullsh1t on this forum. We are far too intelligent for this nonsense. What gets Bryce in trouble is precisely his inability to execute plays, because he has trouble seeing the field and reading the defense. He also has a noodle arm, poor mechanics, and extremely poor footwork. On top of all that, he's mentally weak and easily rattled.

It's time to move on.

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Playing the race card for not liking bryce, damn dude between wanting to fight dudes and this please dont ever change

I never threatened to fight anyone. I’ve only offered you to give your opinions to my face. Face to face debate doesn’t need to result in violence. It does however change the tone and manner of which you speak. 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

I never threatened to fight anyone. I’ve only offered you to give your opinions to my face. Face to face debate doesn’t need to result in violence. It does however change the tone and manner of which you speak. 

Oh boy....ITG. 

[Navy_football]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Eh....I mean by just about every metric you can muster up he is in the bottom quarter of the NFL since coming into the league. 

It's been bad overall. Definitely some high points but the low points have been too frequent.

Yeah, but that's kind of my point. But this is a results-driven league, so there's that. 

Bryce doesn't play like a bottom tier QB to me. Every QB gets bailed out by his receivers a couple of times in every game. I just rarely ever see that in Carolina. Even Tmac hasn't really bailed Bryce out yet. I think he'll become that guy but he isn't that right now. Thielen was the closest thing to it, and he really isn't the type of athlete at this point in his career that should be your go to receiver anyway. How many plays can you think of in the last 2-3 years where a receiver made a play on a ball that you didn't think he'd be able to? I remember J. Sanders catching a jump ball last season. Maybe that short throw to TMac this season where he went WAY up to get it. Just don't see those plays too much here. What you do see a lot of is the ball hitting receivers in the hands and them not coming down with it. 

That's what happened with XL early in the season and dude just lost all confidence in him. He wasn't coming back to the ball. He wasn't high pointing passes. He wasn't muscling defenders or even getting his feet down in bounds when he had a chance. Those are things you need to expect from your receivers if your gonna throw a pass that isn't to a wide open guy. Just my opinion. 

[fieryprophet]

44 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Truly bizarre. We have a poster who shows back up claiming deep scouting knowledge and his very own QB analytical system that admittedly ranks Bryce 25th among NFL QBs this season stumping hard for Bryce and trying to convince everyone their eyes are lying to them and his arm isn't much of a limiting factor at all.

Make it make sense. I can't.

At no point have I "stumped hard" for Bryce. I have simply given clear explanations on why assessing quarterback play is more difficult than looking at simple outcomes because they are intricately tied to numerous factors outside of their control, and that his biggest weakness isn't a lack of physical size but a blind spot in regards to ball security due to an overly aggressive mindset towards play risk/reward ratio.

The fact that these elements rub Bryce detractors the wrong way is more a function of their own one-sided perceptions being forced to confront some actual nuance than anything else.

If saying the jury is still out on Bryce makes me a "stumper" than that says vastly more about them than it does me.

[PNW_PantherMan]

5 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Bryce doesn't play like a bottom tier QB to me.

Can you name 8 of the 32 starting QBs that you would put below Bryce?

[fieryprophet]

23 minutes ago, MRenshaw said:

Nice try, but don't foist this bullsh1t on this forum. We are far too intelligent for this nonsense.

Great, then you design your own quarterback metric, write your own algorithm for it, scrape years of statistics, code your own website, and post it. Let's see your intelligence at work.

[kungfoodude]

18 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Yeah, but that's kind of my point. But this is a results-driven league, so there's that. 

Bryce doesn't play like a bottom tier QB to me. Every QB gets bailed out by his receivers a couple of times in every game. I just rarely ever see that in Carolina. Even Tmac hasn't really bailed Bryce out yet. I think he'll become that guy but he isn't that right now. Thielen was the closest thing to it, and he really isn't the type of athlete at this point in his career that should be your go to receiver anyway. How many plays can you think of in the last 2-3 years where a receiver made a play on a ball that you didn't think he'd be able to? I remember J. Sanders catching a jump ball last season. Maybe that short throw to TMac this season where he went WAY up to get it. Just don't see those plays too much here. What you do see a lot of is the ball hitting receivers in the hands and them not coming down with it. 

That's what happened with XL early in the season and dude just lost all confidence in him. He wasn't coming back to the ball. He wasn't high pointing passes. He wasn't muscling defenders or even getting his feet down in bounds when he had a chance. Those are things you need to expect from your receivers if your gonna throw a pass that isn't to a wide open guy. Just my opinion. 

Yeah, AT was really the only guy making those plays. In fairness, I don't think Bryce is throwing that many 50/50 balls, either. Per NFL Next Gen, he has been in the bottom quarter, top quarter and middle of the pack in his three years in terms of Aggressiveness%(defined as throwing with a defender within 1 yard of the receiver). 

Bryce is a chunk of the problem, without question, but his receivers haven't been making elite plays, for sure. XL has been completely absent and TMac has dropped some very catchable balls. Even Renfrow has not been snagging almost any of those 50/50 balls.

I will say that other QB's(young and old) have struggled with the same issues but few are struggling as mightily as Bryce seems to be. 

[LinvilleGorge]

30 minutes ago, fieryprophet said:

At no point have I "stumped hard" for Bryce. I have simply given clear explanations on why assessing quarterback play is more difficult than looking at simple outcomes because they are intricately tied to numerous factors outside of their control, and that his biggest weakness isn't a lack of physical size but a blind spot in regards to ball security due to an overly aggressive mindset towards play risk/reward ratio.

The fact that these elements rub Bryce detractors the wrong way is more a function of their own one-sided perceptions being forced to confront some actual nuance than anything else.

If saying the jury is still out on Bryce makes me a "stumper" than that says vastly more about them than it does me.

It just doesn't add up to what we're watching. It feels like you're trying to convince yourself that Bryce can just make a few adjustments and pan out. You say he turns the ball over because he's over aggressive and I just don't see that. A lot of his turnovers are just bad throws oftentimes because the balls sails in him. The fumble issues? I mean, you have the smallest QB in the NFL getting hit by extremely large powerful kej who knows based on film study that this guy is prone to coughing up the ball. If you're being hit by a much larger, much more powerful man intent on removing the ball from your possession you're gonna lose that battle a decent amount of the time.

I think some of it is due to bad footwork but some of it is also that when there's traffic in front of him he has to try to get the ball up and over that pressure due to his lack of height. His release point it just several inches lower than most NFL QBs, no way around it. You saying it's more difficult than simply looking at outcomes while completely leaning on situational stats to try to convince people their eyes are lying to them and Bryce's arm isn't a significantly limiting factor in his game. Some people are hyperbolic about his lack of arm strength but honestly he has one of the weakest arms in the league. That's just reality if you objectively watch him play versus other NFL QBs. If he had time in a clean pocket and can step up into and through his throw he can make most throws but that's the problem, for him to make the tougher throws everything has to go perfect. If there's pressure pushing him off his spot or pressure in front of him where he can't step up or has to try to loft the pass over the scrum it's probably ending in a poor result. The problem is that's a commonplace scenario in the NFL. It wasn't at Alabama.

Trust your own QB analytical system. Bryce being very the bottom of the league matches up perfectly with the eye test of just watching him olay

[LinvilleGorge]

36 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Yeah, but that's kind of my point. But this is a results-driven league, so there's that. 

Bryce doesn't play like a bottom tier QB to me. Every QB gets bailed out by his receivers a couple of times in every game. I just rarely ever see that in Carolina. Even Tmac hasn't really bailed Bryce out yet. I think he'll become that guy but he isn't that right now. Thielen was the closest thing to it, and he really isn't the type of athlete at this point in his career that should be your go to receiver anyway. How many plays can you think of in the last 2-3 years where a receiver made a play on a ball that you didn't think he'd be able to? I remember J. Sanders catching a jump ball last season. Maybe that short throw to TMac this season where he went WAY up to get it. Just don't see those plays too much here. What you do see a lot of is the ball hitting receivers in the hands and them not coming down with it. 

That's what happened with XL early in the season and dude just lost all confidence in him. He wasn't coming back to the ball. He wasn't high pointing passes. He wasn't muscling defenders or even getting his feet down in bounds when he had a chance. Those are things you need to expect from your receivers if your gonna throw a pass that isn't to a wide open guy. Just my opinion. 

If we divide the league up into quarters you need to be able to make 8 worse starting QBs for him not to be bottom tier. Who are they?

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If we divide the league up into quarters you need to be able to make 8 worse starting QBs for him not to be bottom tier. Who are they?

Exactly.  I think a lot of people have this image of a bad QB in their head, and Bryce doesn't fit that image.  But just stack him up against the other 31 guys 1 by 1 and it's tough to find many that make me glad we have Bryce.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Exactly.  I think a lot of people have this image of a bad QB in their head, and Bryce doesn't fit that image.  But just stack him up against the other 31 guys 1 by 1 and it's tough to find many that make me glad we have Bryce.

He would be ahead of a good chunk of the backup QB's we see struggling at the moment but starter vs. starter it is really hard to get too many guys that you wouldn't rather have the other guy in a one game scenario. I can understand the ample reasons to not want guys like Flacco and Rodgers at their ages but if you just base it on this roster and one game to win....I would rather have both of those guys.

Expand that to the rest of the league and it quickly becomes obvious where Bryce is.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Exactly.  I think a lot of people have this image of a bad QB in their head, and Bryce doesn't fit that image.  But just stack him up against the other 31 guys 1 by 1 and it's tough to find many that make me glad we have Bryce.

It becomes damn near impossible if we exclude guys who are backups forced into playing by injury. 

Even considering Cam Ward's rookie struggles if the Titans called me offering a straight up trade Ward for Bryce I'm taking it. Is Bryce playing better right now? Yes. But I'd be getting a more talented prospect and more years of a rookie QB contract. Put an OL in front of him and a 200 yard RB behind him and I think Ward is at least equal to Bryce st the moment with a lot higher ceiling.