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Bryce's Achilles Heel Is Not What You Think It Is

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2 minutes ago, fieryprophet said:

Ahh, so you're actually not capable of any developing your metric, coding your own scraping and metric calculation system, and have it automatically publish to your own website on a nightly basis? Well that's just unfortunate.

I cant, but gun to my head with the right equipment/resources I could probably cook up some meth

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33 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

who in your opinion is bryce playing better than?  I can maybe name 3/4 guys maybe.

I think I could name more than that. 

Here's a small nuance. Who do you think would be better than BY in Carolina? Who would Bryce be better than on their team? Is he still bottom of the league to you? Just my way of looking at it. 

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1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

I think I could name more than that. 

Here's a small nuance. Who do you think would be better than BY in Carolina? Who would Bryce be better than on their team? Is he still bottom of the league to you? Just my way of looking at it. 

name them, genuinely interested in how bryce  

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3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

name them, genuinely interested in how bryce  

Right now, off the top of my head I'd put him above:

McCarthy

Russell Wilson

Jalen Hurts

Justin Fields

Spencer Rattler

Kyler Murray

Maybe Trevor Lawrence

Tua

Maybe Caleb Williams  

Penix

Cam Ward

I'm not looking at stats. I'm thinking more on the lines of if you traded teams, would BY be able to do more there and would the other QB be able to do more in Carolina - as a passer. 

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2 hours ago, mrBdawg said:

I think he is calling people out for saying ridiculous things about him like he doesn’t have the arm strength to make nfl throws. Which he does.

There can be nuance to a conversation. You dont have to insist he is the worst at everything. You can view his traits objectively while also realizing his play puts him in the bottom tier of quarterbacks. 

he doesn't have the arm to make all the throws, the premier QBs make.  That's a fact.   So there are plays that won't exist for him that will for others.  

 To act like every QB in the NFL can make all the same throws isn't a stance anyone actually takes.....yet folks are doing it for Bryce. 

 

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29 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Right now, off the top of my head I'd put him above:

McCarthy

Russell Wilson

Jalen Hurts

Justin Fields

Spencer Rattler

Kyler Murray

Maybe Trevor Lawrence

Tua

Maybe Caleb Williams  

Penix

Cam Ward

I'm not looking at stats. I'm thinking more on the lines of if you traded teams, would BY be able to do more there and would the other QB be able to do more in Carolina - as a passer. 

McCarthy to date, for sure. That's a very early sample size, however.

Russell Wilson is a backup. Not sure Wilson wouldn't be better suited to our offense specifically, but at the bare minimum it's basically a wash.

Hurts I would generally disagree with. I do think Hurts is likely to be less than stellar in our offense.

Justin Fields - Agree. Fields is a significant threat on the ground but he sees the field as badly or worse than Bryce. And that's with significantly more reps.

Spencer Rattler - I honestly thought this would be an easier call that it is. TBH, right now Rattler looks a lot better. Really almost across the board.

Kyler - Murray is better. Basically across the board. Not significantly better, mind you.

Trevor Lawrence is more debatable than it seems. Low completion percentages, tons of TO's.....he really has been quite bad this year in Jax. He is considerably more talented than Bryce but the results have been marginally better.

Tua - Tua is a little more dynamic of a player but he is a TO machine. Tend to agree.

Caleb Williams. Not sure on this. Williams is still struggling to be consistent but his upper end is WAY higher than Bryce. He shows it fairlu frequently, as well. Probably would rather be working through Caleb's issues than Bryce.

Penix - 100%. This guy stinks.

Cam Ward. This is a little tough. Again, far higher ceiling on Ward and he shows flashes but it's been a mess there in Tenn. Probably lean towards Bryce here.

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42 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Right now, off the top of my head I'd put him above:

McCarthy

Russell Wilson

Jalen Hurts

Justin Fields

Spencer Rattler

Kyler Murray

Maybe Trevor Lawrence

Tua

Maybe Caleb Williams  

Penix

Cam Ward

I'm not looking at stats. I'm thinking more on the lines of if you traded teams, would BY be able to do more there and would the other QB be able to do more in Carolina - as a passer. 

why rig the scenario with the "as a passer" tag.   I mean, I assume you do that because Bryce needs help in the argument.  If we are just talking players and no contacts?  

I mean, give me Young over Russell Wilson.   That's it.   I'd put him on par w/ Penix, Fields, McCarthy and Rattler,  so that's a wash.  Give me everyone else over Bryce.  And I'm not handicapping the other players as passing only because when you start doing that it's really meaningless. 

 

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19 minutes ago, CRA said:

he doesn't have the arm to make all the throws, the premier QBs make.  That's a fact.   So there are plays that won't exist for him that will for others.  

 To act like every QB in the NFL can make all the same throws isn't a stance anyone actually takes.....yet folks are doing it for Bryce. 

 

Watching those throws Drake Maye was making on a dead run threading lasers into tight coverage on the sidelines over and over in that game against the Bills... these people need to go watch that and be honest with themselves.

Jump to the 1:20 mark. Pretty much every play after that mark is a play that Bryce is simply incapable of making.

 

And yeah, I'm a Heels fan but I'm specifically using Maye here because he's another young highly drafted QB not an established top tier player. Seems like a fair apples to apples comparison versus using a Mahomes or Allen.

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1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

Right now, off the top of my head I'd put him above:

McCarthy

Russell Wilson

Jalen Hurts

Justin Fields

Spencer Rattler

Kyler Murray

Maybe Trevor Lawrence

Tua

Maybe Caleb Williams  

Penix

Cam Ward

I'm not looking at stats. I'm thinking more on the lines of if you traded teams, would BY be able to do more there and would the other QB be able to do more in Carolina - as a passer. 

Bro he isnt better then Lawrence, Tua, Murray and most certainly not hurts.  But the others being debatable is kindof our point.  The others are making our point about where bryce exactly is talent and development wise in the nfl.  

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19 minutes ago, CRA said:

why rig the scenario with the "as a passer" tag.   I mean, I assume you do that because Bryce needs help in the argument.  If we are just talking players and no contacts?  

I mean, give me Young over Russell Wilson.   That's it.   I'd put him on par w/ Penix, Fields, McCarthy and Rattler,  so that's a wash.  Give me everyone else over Bryce.  And I'm not handicapping the other players as passing only because when you start doing that it's really meaningless. 

 

I just said as a passer because that's been the argument right? He can't make throws. He can't make the right decisions. He can't throw over 30 yards. Honestly doesn't change anything for me. None of those guys are scary enough runners that it makes a difference. Except Murray. That little mofo is a blur! Hurts is a great short yards option as well. 

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19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Watching those throws Drake Maye was making on a dead run threading lasers into tight coverage on the sidelines over and over in that game against the Bills... these people need to go watch that and be honest with themselves.

Jump to the 1:20 mark. Pretty much every play after that mark is a play that Bryce is simply incapable of making.

 

And yeah, I'm a Heels fan but I'm specifically using Maye here because he's another young highly drafted QB not an established top tier player. Seems like a fair apples to apples comparison versus using a Mahomes or Allen.

I said last year maye has the potential to be the best qb in that class, his arm and his ability to simply put the ball in a tight window is top level.

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