Greg Cosell: Bryce Young is a complimentary piece

[kungfoodude]

43 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

If I had to parse it out, there's still a good to bad scale for both the centerpiece QB and complimentary types.  The idea isn't that they're all elite, but have the traits so that the teams are built for them, rather than them just being inserted in. 

Some just don't lift the team enough, others do (Allen/Mahomes/etc.). But it can be a gradual process (not always instant) where maybe they started as complimentary early and grew into a stud the team eventually built around.

Centerpiece:

Josh Allen

Patrick Mahomes

Matthew Stafford

Lamar Jackson

Joe Burrow

Justin Herbert

Jayden Daniels

Drake Maye

Dak Prescott

CJ Stroud

Trevor Lawrence 

Caleb Williams

Jordan Love

Kyler Murray (worst of this bunch)

Complimentary

Brock Purdy

Jalen Hurts

Dillon Gabriel

Tua 

 

Unsure So-far:

Jaxon Dart

Michael Penix

JJ McCarthy

Bo Nix

Cam Ward

Vet who was inserted and then sorta built-around:

Jared Goff

Baker Mayfield

Sam Darnold

Daniel Jones

 

 

Disagree with a couple but very good list.

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18 hours ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

Agree with your post 99%. The only point I’ll make is I don’t care about sunk cost anymore. If we hadn’t traded a thing for him and gotten him in whatever round it doesn’t matter to me because 3 years in and he’s simply just not the guy.
 

Just my .02 

I mean, from a general perspective, I think you're absolutely right, but there are lots of times that I can't help juxtaposing Bryce against D.J. Moore and all those picks. I know that I have to let it go, but I still care. As long as we've learned the lesson and don't double down, I guess I'll be good. Bryce has given us backup level results. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

Cosell wouldn't say this, as he's based out of Philly but Jalen Hurts is also a complimentary piece 

[CPF4LIFE]

On 10/17/2025 at 6:03 PM, Aussie Tank said:

The draft capital we spent on him is irrelevant now. The million dollar question is his next contract im not sold on him yet but if he does sign hopefully its a take it or leave it deal where we can continue to add pieces to the side. And aren't lumped with an albatross of a QB contract 

It is in fact very much relevant when it comes to bryce because thats where is management will set his value at on his next contract ESPECIALLY if we somehow finish this season with a winning record. Bryce won't have to be great numbers wise for that to happen.

[NAS]

14 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Jayden Daniels

Drake Maye

 

CJ Stroud

Trevor Lawrence 

Caleb Williams

Jordan Love

Kyler Murray (worst of this bunch)

These don’t belong especially Kyler Murray

[*FreeFua*]

17 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

If I had to parse it out, there's still a good to bad scale for both the centerpiece QB and complimentary types.  The idea isn't that they're all elite, but have the traits so that the teams are built for them, rather than them just being inserted in. 

Some just don't lift the team enough, others do (Allen/Mahomes/etc.). But it can be a gradual process (not always instant) where maybe they started as complimentary early and grew into a stud the team eventually built around.

Centerpiece:

Josh Allen

Patrick Mahomes

Matthew Stafford

Lamar Jackson

Joe Burrow

Justin Herbert

Jayden Daniels

Drake Maye

Dak Prescott

CJ Stroud

Trevor Lawrence 

Caleb Williams

Jordan Love

Kyler Murray (worst of this bunch)

Complimentary

Brock Purdy

Jalen Hurts

Dillon Gabriel

Tua 

 

Unsure So-far:

Jaxon Dart

Michael Penix

JJ McCarthy

Bo Nix

Cam Ward

Vet who was inserted and then sorta built-around:

Jared Goff

Baker Mayfield

Sam Darnold

Daniel Jones

 

 

As far as elite/elevate talent QB’s

It’s Allen Mahomes Jackson and Burrow that’s it. 

Then we have tiers and those can be debated all day

Dak is a good QB but I know this board would want him out of Charlotte if he was the QB here. 2 playoff wins in 10 years. Justin Herbert no playoff wins. Threw 4 interceptions in last years playoff game. 23 TD passes last year. 20 the year below and 25 the year before that. This board loves stats without context and these stats aren’t saying they’re much above complimentary 

Kyler Murray isn’t good. I’m not sure how he made this list. 

Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence both benefiting from some real good offensive coaches right now. They’re both complimentary pieces until proven otherwise 

I like Jordan Love. Always have. I wanted to draft him but he isn’t a superstar. 

CJ Stroud hasn’t been much better than Bryce after his rookie season. After that Bears game year 2 his numbers very similar to Bryce

I will say I think Drake Maye is well on his way to becoming the next top tier QB if I had to pick one from this entire list. I’d also say Baker Mayfield is a damn good QB and I’d take him over most of those guys not in the elite category 

Now if you want to debate tools and which QB’s possess tools to put them in higher tiers that’s a completely different discussion. Most QB’s on your main list all have those physical tools that will keep you thinking he’ll become the next top tier QB. They’ll sprinkle in a “wow” play or two a game. Bryce will never look that way. Young’s game at its peak will physically always look different and I think that’s where most people struggle when it comes to seeing how Young’s can be successful in the league 

All QB’s need a team around them. I think the Bills are failing Josh Allen much like the Panthers did Cam. Beane and McDermott using same blueprint with Bills team. Josh Allen hasn’t had much in terms of WR’s and it’s ultimately costing them when it matters the most 

 

 

[HaricotVert]

If Reich or Fitterer were still around I think the need to extend Young because of what he cost would be stronger.  And yeah Morgan was Fit's right hand when the call was made but there an equal chance that Dan will see it as a chance to move on from Fit and shake off that stink.

Holding out some hope that 3 years and clear eyes will allow for an honest appraisal that Young just aint the guy

Edited 6 hours ago by HaricotVert

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, NAS said:

These don’t belong especially Kyler Murray

Not sure I completely agree but it's a pretty accurate list 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

As far as elite/elevate talent QB’s

It’s Allen Mahomes Jackson and Burrow that’s it. 

Then we have tiers and those can be debated all day

Dak is a good QB but I know this board would want him out of Charlotte if he was the QB here. 2 playoff wins in 10 years. Justin Herbert no playoff wins. Threw 4 interceptions in last years playoff game. 23 TD passes last year. 20 the year below and 25 the year before that. This board loves stats without context and these stats aren’t saying they’re much above complimentary 

Kyler Murray isn’t good. I’m not sure how he made this list. 

Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence both benefiting from some real good offensive coaches right now. They’re both complimentary pieces until proven otherwise 

I like Jordan Love. Always have. I wanted to draft him but he isn’t a superstar. 

CJ Stroud hasn’t been much better than Bryce after his rookie season. After that Bears game year 2 his numbers very similar to Bryce

I will say I think Drake Maye is well on his way to becoming the next top tier QB if I had to pick one from this entire list. I’d also say Baker Mayfield is a damn good QB and I’d take him over most of those guys not in the elite category 

Now if you want to debate tools and which QB’s possess tools to put them in higher tiers that’s a completely different discussion. Most QB’s on your main list all have those physical tools that will keep you thinking he’ll become the next top tier QB. They’ll sprinkle in a “wow” play or two a game. Bryce will never look that way. Young’s game at its peak will physically always look different and I think that’s where most people struggle when it comes to seeing how Young’s can be successful in the league 

All QB’s need a team around them. I think the Bills are failing Josh Allen much like the Panthers did Cam. Beane and McDermott using same blueprint with Bills team. Josh Allen hasn’t had much in terms of WR’s and it’s ultimately costing them when it matters the most 

 

 

Honestly, Burrow doesn't belong on that top line. Fully half of his NFL seasons he has played in 10 or less games. He is elite, in theory, but availability is an ability and no QB in the entire NFL has missed more games in his career span than he has. 

[NAS]

23 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Not sure I completely agree but it's a pretty accurate list 

No it really isn’t.

Caleb Williams needs a good defense, offensive line and multiple First round draft picks at receiver so far. He doesn’t carry that team.

Kyler Murray - what a joke. He can’t even make plays with his legs like he used to.

Each one of them can be easily debunked 

 

 

[kungfoodude]

26 minutes ago, NAS said:

No it really isn’t.

Caleb Williams needs a good defense, offensive line and multiple First round draft picks at receiver so far. He doesn’t carry that team.

Kyler Murray - what a joke. He can’t even make plays with his legs like he used to.

Each one of them can be easily debunked 

 

 

I mean, I agree but that's two players on a pretty extensive list. If 12 players were wildly out of pocket, it would be a bad list.

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2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Honestly, Burrow doesn't belong on that top line. Fully half of his NFL seasons he has played in 10 or less games. He is elite, in theory, but availability is an ability and no QB in the entire NFL has missed more games in his career span than he has. 

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[*FreeFua*]

All things equal (contracts etc) I’d take Bryce over Trevor Lawrence

[Super Grateful]

On 10/17/2025 at 3:58 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

I wouldn't care about it if I didn't think it would play into the Panthers' decision making process. It is what it is. We made a colossal mistake. I just hope we don't allow the hesitation to admit that colossal mistake lead to another one.

well you'll get to see your boy Fields play today, the guy you wished we drafted. Let's see how they look side by side. Neither of them are as good as Howell though, amiright?