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Bryce Young - High Ankle Sprain, out minimum 1 week

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12 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Oh absolutely not. 

And we’ll see. I definitely remember more of a vertical element in Tampa on top of the never ending mesh routes.

Out of curiosity I took a look at 2024 to see if it was markedly different between Bryce and Dalton in the deep shots catrgory using NFL Next Gen Stats(20+ yard throws).

Dalton: 2.8/GM, 8.75 Attempts/20+ yard throw

Young: 3.8/GM, 8.34 Attempts/20+ yard throw

 

That was a little surprising. 

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2 minutes ago, jtm said:

I think Dalton will ball out this weekend with a week of practice as the starter.  

Yeah, I don't think a 37 year old Dalton has a lot of "balling out" left in the tank. Possibly a game or two here or there but I would say that definitely should not be the expectation level.

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7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I don't think a 37 year old Dalton has a lot of "balling out" left in the tank. Possibly a game or two here or there but I would say that definitely should not be the expectation level.

If Rodgers and Flacco could duke it out at 40-41 Dalton has no excuses. Vinny was like 44 with us lol. Stafford is 37 as well

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25 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Jameis was 2-5 last year. -64 scoring differential, and his overall TD/turnover differential was 1:1. That's terrible. 

And point being?

I've never one time said he was a good QB or would help us win games, in fact, I've quite literally said he costs his teams games.

But none of that means anything when I've lobbied for him solely due to his arm strength and his fearlessness in throwing any pass (which is also what makes him a bad actual QB), as those things will 100% help expedite the improvement of all of our pass catchers.

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29 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Out of curiosity I took a look at 2024 to see if it was markedly different between Bryce and Dalton in the deep shots catrgory using NFL Next Gen Stats(20+ yard throws).

Dalton: 2.8/GM, 8.75 Attempts/20+ yard throw

Young: 3.8/GM, 8.34 Attempts/20+ yard throw

 

That was a little surprising. 

Dalton only had one game with Thielen, who was kinda the defacto deep threat last season.

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4 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

If Rodgers and Flacco could duke it out at 40-41 Dalton has no excuses. Vinny was like 44 with us lol. Stafford is 37 as well

Rodgers and Stafford are HOF level players. Andy in his prime was an above average NFL starter but not in the discussion for being the best at his position like Rodgers and Stafford were. 

Those 300+ yard performances are getting a lot fewer and far between for guys like Rodgers and Flacco too. 

Just saying that I wouldn't expect a wild performance. Vinny also wasn't throwing for big numbers often after about his mid-30's.

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3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Rodgers and Stafford are HOF level players. Andy in his prime was an above average NFL starter but not in the discussion for being the best at his position like Rodgers and Stafford were. 

Those 300+ yard performances are getting a lot fewer and far between for guys like Rodgers and Flacco too. 

Just saying that I wouldn't expect a wild performance. Vinny also wasn't throwing for big numbers often after about his mid-30's.

Even beyond Rodgers and Stafford being HOF level players, the two of them (and Flacco) always ranked near (or at) the top of the list for arm strength throughout their careers, they all had cannons.

Dalton didn't have a noodle arm, but he never had an arm like those 3, so even if they've diminished over age, so did Dalton.

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1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

Dalton only had one game with Thielen, who was kinda the defacto deep threat last season.

Yeah, if he starts multiple times this season it will be interesting to see if that changes.

Current year Bryce is down to 2.3/GM and 14 Attempts/20+ Yard Throw. 

He has been even less aggressive about taking deep shots so far this year.

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2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Even beyond Rodgers and Stafford being HOF level players, the two of them (and Flacco) always ranked near (or at) the top of the list for arm strength throughout their careers, they all had cannons.

Dalton didn't have a noodle arm, but he never had an arm like those 3, so even if they've diminished over age, so did Dalton.

100%. Andy had a good arm but never an elite arm. Those guys had cannons.

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

100%. Andy had a good arm but never an elite arm. Those guys had cannons.

Of the regular starting QB's since 2000, there might be an argument to be made that Stafford and Rodgers were the two biggest arms in the league during that time.

I'm sure there are others that belong in the conversation, and they might not actually be 1-2, but I don't think either would fall out of the Top 5 strongest arms during that time.

(admittedly, this is also just a pure gut feel without trying to think back through all the starting QB's during that time frame, but I don't think it's all that off base either)

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