I'm All In On Drafting a QB in Round 1

[outlaw4]

I'm all in on drafting a good enough roster that can adequately support a QB. This roster ain't it and bringing in someone new too soon means wasting valuable years under their rookie contract.

Also, new QB means new HC. I don't trust Tepper not firing Canales if the new guy falters out of the gate.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, strato said:

Well if that transpired I would stand on your side. I am a show me type. Don’t tell me, do it. 

Show me this playbook is the same a legit QB would get, to start with. Maybe get him off the play calling.

I’ll allow that I don’t like his kumbaya approach, that is how a woman would sees things. And we are dealing with men. 

Agreed. It's tough for me to honestly evaluate Canales as an offensive coach given our QB room. Now with that said, his reluctance to lean into Rico isn't promising.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Agreed. It's tough for me to honestly evaluate Canales as an offensive coach given our QB room. Now with that said, his reluctance to lean into Rico isn't promising.

Plus the XL thing, Corbett over Mays, etc.

He just doesn't want to play his best guys where they fit best. We are not merit based. At all.

[Navy_football]

3 hours ago, TD alt said:

Depends on perspective. I do think the talent is great. Whether T-Mac reaches his potential is another story, especially within these current circumstances. Some of the metrics are really good already (like average yards per catch). Even PFF already had him as the 20th or so best WR in the league.

I don't agree. I love TMac and think he's gonna be a big time WR for this team. Right now he gets fed a ton of targets that helps his stats. He's getting the Adam Thielen treatment. I just don't think he maximizes YAC opportunities, or runs by DBs, or makes the circus catches in games we know he can make. I think he'll put it together, but he ain't there yet. 

Shakir in Buffalo showed something Sunday we haven't seen a WR do here in a long time. Who's doing that on this team? 

[scratched]

I want to repeat what I said when we drafted BY... We need too much help at other positions to be spending a top draft pick on QB. I think if we can hit on FA and the draft one more year, we can then start thinking about taking a shot on a QB in the 1st rd in the draft. We need Safety help, CB help, LB HELLLLPPPPPP!, it wouldn't hurt to have a pure pass rusher (FA pickup IMO), OT to replace Moton (which I said we needed before we signed his extension) and a WR2, unless Coker can make the jump in the rest of this season. Bringing a Rookie QB in to play behind this line and with this offense is a recipe for disaster. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I just don't think he maximizes YAC opportunities, or runs by DBs

That's never gonna be T-Mac's game. He's basically a Plaxico Burress clone. XL was drafted to be that guy he just sucks.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, scratched said:

I want to repeat what I said when we drafted BY... We need too much help at other positions to be spending a top draft pick on QB. I think if we can hit on FA and the draft one more year, we can then start thinking about taking a shot on a QB in the 1st rd in the draft. We need Safety help, CB help, LB HELLLLPPPPPP!, it wouldn't hurt to have a pure pass rusher (FA pickup IMO), OT to replace Moton (which I said we needed before we signed his extension) and a WR2, unless Coker can make the jump in the rest of this season. Bringing a Rookie QB in to play behind this line and with this offense is a recipe for disaster. 

The problem with making that move up for Bryce is that if he's not a HOFer it basically wasn't worth it. You're going to be in a roster talent deficiency for several years due to the amount of roster building capital we had to give up. And the bust rate for QBs is just too high to go THAT all in on a prospect. If we had earned the #1 overall pick and didn't have to trade all that capital to get it we wouldn't be in near as bad of a spot overall. But when you go all in and it blows up in your face it hurts bad and it hurts for years.

[strato]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The problem with making that move up for Bryce is that if he's not a HOFer it basically wasn't worth it. You're going to be in a roster talent deficiency for several years due to the amount of roster building capital we had to give up. And the bust rate for QBs is just too high to go THAT all in on a prospect. If we had earned the #1 overall pick and didn't have to trade all that capital to get it we wouldn't be in near as bad of a spot overall. But when you go all in and it blows up in your face it hurts bad and it hurts for years.

I couldn’t believe they did that. Then I looked at the options which were a midget college player and an Ohio State QB, that looked much better but still… the price? Screw that. 

[scratched]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The problem with making that move up for Bryce is that if he's not a HOFer it basically wasn't worth it. You're going to be in a roster talent deficiency for several years due to the amount of roster building capital we had to give up. And the bust rate for QBs is just too high to go THAT all in on a prospect. If we had earned the #1 overall pick and didn't have to trade all that capital to get it we wouldn't be in near as bad of a spot overall. But when you go all in and it blows up in your face it hurts bad and it hurts for years.

Some would call me crazy, but I wouldn't be mad if we could swing a trade to get Shadeur for next season. I know it's been mentioned several times, but I truly believe the Browns are gonna be looking a QB in the 1st Rd again this year.  Bring some excitement to Charlotte, let's see what he has. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, strato said:

I couldn’t believe they did that. Then I looked at the options which were a midget college player and an Ohio State QB, that looked much better but still… the price? Screw that. 

You're putting all your eggs in one basket with a move like that. Not just at the QB position, but the roster as a whole due to what you're having to give up. If you miss you're fuged. That's not our only issue but a lot of our issues are downhill of that massive mistake.

[TD alt]

22 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I don't agree. I love TMac and think he's gonna be a big time WR for this team. Right now he gets fed a ton of targets that helps his stats. He's getting the Adam Thielen treatment. I just don't think he maximizes YAC opportunities, or runs by DBs, or makes the circus catches in games we know he can make. I think he'll put it together, but he ain't there yet. 

Shakir in Buffalo showed something Sunday we haven't seen a WR do here in a long time. Who's doing that on this team? 

Shakir and T-Mac are very different receivers, and Josh and Bryce are very different QBs.  

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, scratched said:

Bring some excitement to Charlotte, let's see what he has. 

This is the thought process from Browns ownership that brought Shedeur to Cleveland. Is everyone just going to willfully continue to ignore that Shedeur looked completely awful except against our camp bodies? He didn't do anything in that game until we pulled all of our starters and primary backups and he didn't do anything in any of his other appearances.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're putting all your eggs in one basket with a move like that. Not just at the QB position, but the roster as a whole due to what you're having to give up. If you miss you're fuged. That's not our only issue but a lot of our issues are downhill of that massive mistake.

Going all-in with odds that are worse than a coin flip.  Just not a good idea.

[Navy_football]

20 minutes ago, scratched said:

I want to repeat what I said when we drafted BY... We need too much help at other positions to be spending a top draft pick on QB. I think if we can hit on FA and the draft one more year, we can then start thinking about taking a shot on a QB in the 1st rd in the draft. We need Safety help, CB help, LB HELLLLPPPPPP!, it wouldn't hurt to have a pure pass rusher (FA pickup IMO), OT to replace Moton (which I said we needed before we signed his extension) and a WR2, unless Coker can make the jump in the rest of this season. Bringing a Rookie QB in to play behind this line and with this offense is a recipe for disaster. 

I agree with this. Also think they really need a speed WR to add to the mix. I don't care how big he is. Just a blue chip WR with speed.