Is Canales digging his own grave?

[countryboi]

I think he was hoping that Chuba would play his way out of his poor play but its just been getting worse and worse. its not like this is new, I remember the same feud about Steven Davis and Deshawn Foster. rarely do things work out as well as Williams and Stewart 

[PNW_PantherMan]

One of the benefits of doing a few stints as a coordinator is working under different head coaches and observing how they do things.  Canales has worked under Pete Caroll and then he was an OC for 1 season.

Honestly I think he needs more time in the oven and he might be good at his next HC gig.  I'm not sure he's ready for this job and I don't know that he will ever be.

But hey I hope I'm wrong.

[UnluckyforSome]

While I agree he should have the opportunity to select his own qb, following that does he then get the standard 3 years?

New regimes mean new qbs. No coach should tie his future to someone they didn't actually pick. For whatever reason, Canales has done just that. Whether it is being strong armed by Tepper, or overwhelming hubris that he could be successful with Young, it sure seems he has now made his bed.

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, Tbe said:

This. He became a HC too early. If we want to see who he can be, we have to give him a few years to figure it out. 

It took Ron a few years and he had much more experience than DC.

Oh, and he needs a QB.

Ron's two seasons he took to figure it out would be massive successes compared to the 2018-Present period. Those 6 and 7 win seasons look pretty great now. 

Do you honestly think he will jump up to a 10+ win year in 2026? That's what Ron did.

[Tbe]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Ron's two seasons he took to figure it out would be massive successes compared to the 2018-Present period. Those 6 and 7 win seasons look pretty great now. 

Do you honestly think he will jump up to a 10+ win year in 2026? That's what Ron did.

Of course not. Like I said. Ron was way more experienced coming in. That’s why he had a better record. He still had to figure things out to make the jump to 10+.

I don’t know if DC will make it. His lack of experience around the league may be a big problem for him. 7 years with Pete Carrol and then one year in Tampa. Not a lot of reference points to draw from.

[DaveThePanther2008]

7 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

While I agree he should have the opportunity to select his own qb, following that does he then get the standard 3 years?

New regimes mean new qbs. No coach should tie his future to someone they didn't actually pick. For whatever reason, Canales has done just that. Whether it is being strong armed by Tepper, or overwhelming hubris that he could be successful with Young, it sure seems he has now made his bed.

During the hiring process one of the reasons, he was selected was he was a QB whisperer and that he could get Young to be our franchise QB.   While we have seen some amazing improvement in Young he hasn't gotten him over the hump.

 

[Oldschool Leroy]

I hope he can figure it out. He probably got the job a year or two before he was ready. I am not sure he is even fully in control of the defense. The rico thing, the QB room, not enough in game adjustments; like the buffalo game. Somebody should have tried something different to stop that toss sweep.

He was already standing in the open grave when he took this job from dave tepper. The question is whether dave is going to give him enough rope to get out of the grave hole or is he going to hit him over the head with the shovel and bury him. 

[strato]

8 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

While I agree he should have the opportunity to select his own qb, following that does he then get the standard 3 years?

New regimes mean new qbs. No coach should tie his future to someone they didn't actually pick. For whatever reason, Canales has done just that. Whether it is being strong armed by Tepper, or overwhelming hubris that he could be successful with Young, it sure seems he has now made his bed.

I don’t know where the QB is going to come from but with a decent vet he won’t need three years.  
I’d say we should try and trade for one but haven’t given it any real though to say if there is even one out there that fits that scenario.
But I would rather give up big picks for a proven commodity that what we did with Bryce. 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

One of the benefits of doing a few stints as a coordinator is working under different head coaches and observing how they do things.  Canales has worked under Pete Caroll and then he was an OC for 1 season.

Honestly I think he needs more time in the oven and he might be good at his next HC gig.  I'm not sure he's ready for this job and I don't know that he will ever be.

But hey I hope I'm wrong.

Well Ron did have a 9 year playing career that cannot be understated. But he was an NFL coach/staff member in some capacity for about 13 years before taking our HC job, 6 as a DC. By comparision, DC has been an NFL coach/staff member in some capacity for 14 years prior to taking our HC job, only 1 as an OC. 

So, in theory, Dave really shouldn't be super far behind the curve when compared to Ron. Although, I think Ron obviously had a much better grasp of what it takes to be a successful NFL player/Coach. 

[strato]

2 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

During the hiring process one of the reasons, he was selected was he was a QB whisperer and that he could get Young to be our franchise QB.   While we have seen some amazing improvement in Young he hasn't gotten him over the hump.

 

I can’t make you a great meal without the right groceries. Him not fixing Bryce is no surprise to me, as I didn’t consider it a realistic proposition to start with.

My vision at the time was well he’ll show that Bryce can’t be fixed and then will get down to business with a better candidate. 

[csx]

Probably. Hes a bullshit artist. 

This Dowdle thing has made me lose the glimpse of hope i had. 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Of course not. Like I said. Ron was way more experienced coming in. That’s why he had a better record. He still had to figure things out to make the jump to 10+.

I don’t know if DC will make it. His lack of experience around the league may be a big problem for him. 7 years with Pete Carrol and then one year in Tampa. Not a lot of reference points to draw from.

He has been in the NFL since 2010 in some coaching or staff capacity. That's a fairly length of career for him to need a big learning curve. Now, I will say that not everyone learns as quickly as say a Sean McVay(7 total years as an NFL coach/staff member prior to HC). 

I think most likely he probably got pulled up the ranks too quickly from OC to HC. He probably needed to be in the position for several more years to even determine if he was adept that at.

[PNW_PantherMan]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well Ron did have a 9 year playing career that cannot be understated. But he was an NFL coach/staff member in some capacity for about 13 years before taking our HC job, 6 as a DC. By comparision, DC has been an NFL coach/staff member in some capacity for 14 years prior to taking our HC job, only 1 as an OC. 

So, in theory, Dave really shouldn't be super far behind the curve when compared to Ron. Although, I think Ron obviously had a much better grasp of what it takes to be a successful NFL player/Coach. 

Yeah but all those years are under Mr Bubble Gum Sunshine Pete Carroll.  He has no other perspective other than Todd Bowles.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, csx said:

Probably. Hes a bullshit artist. 

This Dowdle thing has made me lose the glimpse of hope i had. 

I suspect his polished nature was the sort of thing that pushed the right buttons for a Wall Street bro like Tepper.