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On 11/17/2025 at 9:47 AM, electro's horse said:

 

Just like against the packers, the panthers sent a loud message to the rest of the league; no matter who you are, if you have enough injuries to key starters, we can wait until your defense gets tired and eke out a victory with a field goal. 

this made me lol, never change Fiz

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1 hour ago, The Lobo said:

I thought this was an interesting stat, we lead the nfl in fourth down attempts with 27. 
 

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And that probably means at least a couple of different things. 

I wonder how many were necessary, make it or we lose, vs some other reason. We had one pretty early in the game recently on our side of the field but most seem to be no man’s land like between the 45 yard lines 

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12 hours ago, The Lobo said:

Sorry I’m dumb when it comes to this stuff, what does this mean? 

DVOA is just another way to rank the teams based on a ton different inputs. It's been tweaked throughout the years, but he always goes back and regrades teams so you're always using the same stat to compare teams. And it attempts to standardize everything to league average, so you're getting success play compared to what would happen on average in the league. 

https://ftnfantasy.com/nfl/dvoa-explainer

higher DVOA, better/more frequently the team is above average. 

Panthers are the second lowest team by DVOA to get to 6-5. The only worse team is the 2016 Brock Osweiler Texans. This means two things, generally

1. The Panthers aren't as good as their record: reality is coming and coming fast. This isn't a disney movie; they're not better than the sum of their parts. 

2. Regression to the mean in 2026: 2016 texans went 9-7. 2017 went 4-12. It's very difficult to constantly pull poo out of your ass week after week, season after season. Hell, look at the Chiefs last year compared to this year. 

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19 hours ago, The Lobo said:

Sorry I’m dumb when it comes to this stuff, what does this mean? 

It basically means the people who say any stats that show Bryce as decent are bogus are now going to say this stat means we are bad no matter what our record ends up being.

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7 hours ago, electro's horse said:

DVOA is just another way to rank the teams based on a ton different inputs. It's been tweaked throughout the years, but he always goes back and regrades teams so you're always using the same stat to compare teams. And it attempts to standardize everything to league average, so you're getting success play compared to what would happen on average in the league. 

https://ftnfantasy.com/nfl/dvoa-explainer

higher DVOA, better/more frequently the team is above average. 

Panthers are the second lowest team by DVOA to get to 6-5. The only worse team is the 2016 Brock Osweiler Texans. This means two things, generally

1. The Panthers aren't as good as their record: reality is coming and coming fast. This isn't a disney movie; they're not better than the sum of their parts. 

2. Regression to the mean in 2026: 2016 texans went 9-7. 2017 went 4-12. It's very difficult to constantly pull poo out of your ass week after week, season after season. Hell, look at the Chiefs last year compared to this year. 

Oh yes I remember this now, in 2015 Seahawks fans were all going on and on about their DVOA dominating ours before our playoff matchup. In that case it didn’t work out in their favor. Do you know how accurate these are through the years?

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49 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

It basically means the people who say any stats that show Bryce as decent are bogus are now going to say this stat means we are bad no matter what our record ends up being.

I mean if you look at Bryce’s stats before last week, he was ranked damn near the bottom of the league in every category so you can’t fault people for thinking anything positive is bogus.

I’ve heard several analyst say they don’t know how to rank the panthers because we are a confusing team.
One week we look like complete dog poo the next we win 30-0. Sure we beat a horrible jets team, but what was it, 13-6 or something like that? Beat the pack, but how good are they? They lost to us and the Browns and tied with Dallas, are they frauds? Would we have beat the bills with Bryce, I doubt it. Barely beat a 3-5 falcons team in OT and those seem to be Bryce’s best games. To me, the jury is still out and I’m optimistic, we beat SF and Bryce plays will il start to really believe. 

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      I mean if you look at Bryce’s stats before last week, he was ranked damn near the bottom of the league in every category so you can’t fault people for thinking anything positive is bogus. I’ve heard several analyst say they don’t know how to rank the panthers because we are a confusing team. One week we look like complete dog poo the next we win 30-0. Sure we beat a horrible jets team, but what was it, 13-6 or something like that? Beat the pack, but how good are they? They lost to us and the Browns and tied with Dallas, are they frauds? Would we have beat the bills with Bryce, I doubt it. Barely beat a 3-5 falcons team in OT and those seem to be Bryce’s best games. To me, the jury is still out and I’m optimistic, we beat SF and Bryce plays will il start to really believe. 
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