Another example of Bryce playing chess that casuals wouldn’t notice or appreciate

[mrcompletely11]

29 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

He's not playing on his 4th year so we're either going to have to extend him or pick up his 5th year. If we pick up his 5th year, that 18m AAV for what's realistically backup level play. If we do an extension, I'd expect his agent to want in the 35-40m AAV range on a 4-5 year deal with 80% guaranteed and about 50-60% as a signing bonus. Can't do that either based on current level of play. Puts us in a pickle. Can't extend him, and do you pick up the 5th year knowing you have to bring in a legit 2nd QB to compete for the starting role, who we also have to pay decent money to and eat Dalton's dead cap, plus pay Icky franchise LT money. It's all a mess. 

Im not sure why more folks don't understand this.   Bryce is out of time.   Hes got 8 games left to show he's a franchise qb.   But we all know by now

[Basbear]

32 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

He's not playing on his 4th year so we're either going to have to extend him or pick up his 5th year. If we pick up his 5th year, that 18m AAV for what's realistically backup level play. If we do an extension, I'd expect his agent to want in the 35-40m AAV range on a 4-5 year deal with 80% guaranteed and about 50-60% as a signing bonus. Can't do that either based on current level of play. Puts us in a pickle. Can't extend him, and do you pick up the 5th year knowing you have to bring in a legit 2nd QB to compete for the starting role, who we also have to pay decent money to and eat Dalton's dead cap, plus pay Icky franchise LT money. It's all a mess. 

You got a good grasp of this mess. I've been wanting to ask all the BY fans what type of money they want to give him, as you layied it out and you just can not agree....he's done the min it takes for a few games. Plus brother the cap is going up, 45 AAV maybe the bottom starting QB as insane as it is. Still I DO NOT want BY anywhere close 45, even giving him backup money is hard to think about.

Deal is after the season, its going to be Uber hot about what to do. You know his agent will not allow him to play even if they do the 5th year, everyone on his side will want a juicy 200mill+ deal that I would curse tepper for his current and afterlife........

They got to either trade him or pay him this off-season. Period, that's the mountain awaiting this off-season. Either one can save your NFL career or ruin it...... The QB market is turbo ass, unless you are a trey lance truther, Sam "I love unc" Howell, or Willis....Theres Zack "wow I backpedal and toss a 70 yard dime and living off my 2nd overall draft status" Wilson. Or if Indy goes insane and doesn't tag .......I can not even type his name....the whole QB market is him and lost dreams. I personally have not drove in draft, cause thank the gods Panthers are still in the playoff hunt, but form afar it looks scary......like a bunch of 2nd-3rd QBs will be drafted in the top half and I DO NOT want to trade up again by paying the insane future 1st etc. 

SO.............fug its bad........and I don't see a lane, unless a Jake ver2.0 Delhommy happens again. Maybe trade has the best path, Im enjoying the season too much to find out which teams even have a QB worth trading for.....fug....

Edited 5 hours ago by Basbear

[CRA]

1 minute ago, strato said:

On a good day. On a bad day he is Jimmy, easily.  

key difference is Bryce is better on his feet.  

the other massive difference, is what the  investment in Bryce has afforded him in terms of chances and opportunity.   I mean, look at Spencer Rattler.  He went to the bench not because he showed less promise than Bryce (he is statistically better than 3rd year Bryce)……but the front office didn’t have all that egg on their face. 

[cranky]

27 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

He's not playing on his 4th year so we're either going to have to extend him or pick up his 5th year. If we pick up his 5th year, that 18m AAV for what's realistically backup level play. If we do an extension, I'd expect his agent to want in the 35-40m AAV range on a 4-5 year deal with 80% guaranteed and about 50-60% as a signing bonus. Can't do that either based on current level of play. Puts us in a pickle. Can't extend him, and do you pick up the 5th year knowing you have to bring in a legit 2nd QB to compete for the starting role, who we also have to pay decent money to and eat Dalton's dead cap, plus pay Icky franchise LT money. It's all a mess. 

I appreciate the clarification. Still, the way I see it, they have the remainder of this season, all of next year and all of his fifth year IF they pick up his fifth year to evaluate him without having to sign him to a long term deal. I know they have to decide by May on whether to pick up the option, but that doesn't lock them into anything long term. Picking up his option does not mean they are signng him to a 50 or 80M/year deal like some are posting here. Correct?

[Basbear]

Just now, cranky said:

I appreciate the clarification. Still, the way I see it, they have the remainder of this season, all of next year and all of his fifth year IF they pick up his fifth year to evaluate him without having to sign him to a long term deal. I know they have to decide by May on whether to pick up the option, but that doesn't lock them into anything long term. Picking up his option does not mean they are signng him to a 50 or 80M/year deal like some are posting here. Correct?

It does not work like that.

For early 1st round QB the after the 3rd year its three things- pay, cut, or trade.

0% chance BY will play on the 5th year, they will force Panthers hand with the last bit of cleavage (lols) Leverage they have.

So you can either pay him 200+ mill with around 130 guaranteed or trade him for ..... I guess mid round picks....

 

 

[mrcompletely11]

11 minutes ago, cranky said:

I appreciate the clarification. Still, the way I see it, they have the remainder of this season, all of next year and all of his fifth year IF they pick up his fifth year to evaluate him without having to sign him to a long term deal. I know they have to decide by May on whether to pick up the option, but that doesn't lock them into anything long term. Picking up his option does not mean they are signng him to a 50 or 80M/year deal like some are posting here. Correct?

Picking up his 5th locks him in for 2 years simply due to the economics of the situation.   What you are suggesting simply doesn't happen.  After year 3 a decision is made either short or long term.   Its just the way this has shaped out.   In short Bryce has 8 games to get his poo together.   But like I said earlier the wild card are the teppers.  

[cranky]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

It does not work like that.

For early 1st round QB the after the 3rd year its three things- pay, cut, or trade.

0% chance BY will play on the 5th year, they will force Panthers hand with the last bit of cleavage (lols) Leverage they have.

So you can either pay him 200+ mill with around 130 guaranteed or trade him for ..... I guess mid round picks....

 

 

That's not what I have read. I thought the rookie contracts were for 4 years with a fifth year as an option. So that mean Young will be here next year regardless unless he is traded which I highly doubt happening. As far as his fifth year, there have been examples of a QBs' 5th year being picked up but then they weren't extended. Derek Carr wasn't extended with the Saints in 2018 after they picked up his fifth year. And then there are those that played their 5th year without long term deals: Carson Wentz and Jared Goff both did.

As far as not playing, I do not think Young is in any position to not play. He wouldn't get paid for missed time AND he still might need to prove his worth. 

Am I missing something

 

 

 

[mrcompletely11]

11 minutes ago, cranky said:

That's not what I have read. I thought the rookie contracts were for 4 years with a fifth year as an option. So that mean Young will be here next year regardless unless he is traded which I highly doubt happening. As far as his fifth year, there have been examples of a QBs' 5th year being picked up but then they weren't extended. Derek Carr wasn't extended with the Saints in 2018 after they picked up his fifth year. And then there are those that played their 5th year without long term deals: Carson Wentz and Jared Goff both did.

As far as not playing, I do not think Young is in any position to not play. He wouldn't get paid for missed time AND he still might need to prove his worth. 

Am I missing something

 

 

 

Your timing is off

[strato]

35 minutes ago, CRA said:

key difference is Bryce is better on his feet.  

the other massive difference, is what the  investment in Bryce has afforded him in terms of chances and opportunity.   I mean, look at Spencer Rattler.  He went to the bench not because he showed less promise than Bryce (he is statistically better than 3rd year Bryce)……but the front office didn’t have all that egg on their face. 

Talking about Rattler, he is the perfect sideways move that saves multiple tens of millions and we don’t lose much in performance. in fact we probably get a slight upgrade. 
It is a punt and a punt is not always a bad play. 
It doesn’t have to be specifically Rattler but absent a great alternative I want us to punt.

Contingent on Bryce not blowing up the next 8 games and sealing the deal. If he performs to his mean, average, whatever, that ain’t good enough. And we should just punt.

Edited 5 hours ago by strato

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, strato said:

Talking about Rattler, he is the perfect sideways move that saves multiple tens of millions and we don’t lose much in performance. in fact we probably get a slight upgrade. 
It is a punt and a punt is not always a bad play. 
It doesn’t have to be specifically Rattler but absent a great alternative I want us to punt.

Contingent on Bryce not blowing up the next 8 games and sealing the deal. If he performs to his mean, average, whatever, that ain’t good enough. And we should just punt.

Yeah, you can find Bryce level play for dirt cheap 

[mrcompletely11]

17 minutes ago, cranky said:

That's not what I have read. I thought the rookie contracts were for 4 years with a fifth year as an option. So that mean Young will be here next year regardless unless he is traded which I highly doubt happening. As far as his fifth year, there have been examples of a QBs' 5th year being picked up but then they weren't extended. Derek Carr wasn't extended with the Saints in 2018 after they picked up his fifth year. And then there are those that played their 5th year without long term deals: Carson Wentz and Jared Goff both did.

As far as not playing, I do not think Young is in any position to not play. He wouldn't get paid for missed time AND he still might need to prove his worth. 

Am I missing something

 

 

 

upon further review you got all this wrong.  The only qb I can find to play on his fourth without a ext is danny dimes, and that was a colossal mistake for the giants

[Pejorative Miscreant]

1 hour ago, strato said:

Talking about Rattler, he is the perfect sideways move that saves multiple tens of millions and we don’t lose much in performance. in fact we probably get a slight upgrade. 
It is a punt and a punt is not always a bad play. 
It doesn’t have to be specifically Rattler but absent a great alternative I want us to punt.

Contingent on Bryce not blowing up the next 8 games and sealing the deal. If he performs to his mean, average, whatever, that ain’t good enough. And we should just punt.

This makes some sense to me. Plus, the last NO QB castoff we signed worked rather well so I’m game for this.

[strato]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Yeah, you can find Bryce level play for dirt cheap 

Dirt cheap lol that will still be more than most people make in 20 years. 

[X-Clown]

1 hour ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

This makes some sense to me. Plus, the last NO QB castoff we signed worked rather well so I’m game for this.

Bridgewater?