Another example of Bryce playing chess that casuals wouldn’t notice or appreciate

[Khyber53]

I think we're all struggling with what things are right now and what they have been. It's like getting ready to have bandages removed after a long period of injury. The healing, the new growth, they aren't going to be pretty, there's going to be some ongoing issues for a while at best and there's every chance that we're going to have to go back into the bandage situation all over again.

And that sucks. But it's also a place where maybe, just maybe, the recovery is going to finally start happening. The bad days will be getting behind us. 

It's not going to happen this year, but I believe from what I see that this year is showing that improvement. We focus on the QB because that's what all the pundits focus on, because it's the flashiest and most heralded position on the field. No one wants to put out a tweet about how a center is holding down their job and anchoring a line. They rarely celebrate that blocking tight end or special teams gunner. That fourth CB on the depth chart? Not a mention. And yet, those guys are the kind that we've been building here, we're building the lunch pail guys AND finding some future stars. 

Is Bryce one of them? Might be a cornerstone of the team in the future as the second QB, might somehow just show out to end the season. Might flame out like many expect. But if that uncertainty is all we concentrate on, we're just going to miserably look at this team and maybe miss out on some solid green shoots that are finally beginning to poke through into the sunlight.

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

7 minutes ago, Verge said:

And I am okay with that. I keep my distance while certain posters make the same post 50 times over. I don't believe that makes me fairweather or anything of the like. I also used to post a lot about the changes that need to be made, but it has become excessive, to your point. 

I'm probably one of those posters, but I make those posts because there are too many things going on that don't make sense. For instance, how does a RB that does something that hasn't been done in 14 years immediately get reverted back to 2nd string, and it takes a leadership council to make him the starter when he's averaging 3x the YPC? Your average fan shouldn't be screaming that for 2 weeks before the coach sees it. And that's one of many. 

What you're seeing is frustration that we could be better, that we should be better, if our owner, FO, and coaches could do things that are so painfully obvious to even the most basic fan 

[strato]

11 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'm probably one of those posters, but I make those posts because there are too many things going on that don't make sense. For instance, how does a RB that does something that hasn't been done in 14 years immediately get reverted back to 2nd string, and it takes a leadership council to make him the starter when he's averaging 3x the YPC? Your average fan shouldn't be screaming that for 2 weeks before the coach sees it. And that's one of many. 

What you're seeing is frustration that we could be better, that we should be better, if our owner, FO, and coaches could do things that are so painfully obvious to even the most basic fan 

We could look at that RB indecision as a catastrophe, or maybe a learning experience. 
I mean, we aren’t going anywhere even if somehow TB falls apart and we don’t. Which I don’t expect. Meaning it didn’t really hurt us in a big way. 

I understand what he was going for, he was providing a chance for a team leader to respond. He just gave it a game too much leash. And then fixed it. 
 

What Canales does next time when faced with a promotion/demotion based on production may be more decisive. 
I would condemn him if he doesn’t learn from it. 

[Super Grateful]

1 hour ago, The Lobo said:

The results would have been similar 

 

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Are you insinuating we haven't gotten blown out while Bryce was starting?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401547629/panthers-jaguars

The Bills would have still scored on our defense but Bryce would have absolutely played better and put us in a better position offensively than Dalton. If you can't admit that, then you are way too far gone and stuck on that hill to reckon with. 

[frankw]

Just now, Super Grateful said:

The Bills would have still scored on our defense but Bryce would have absolutely played better and put us in a better position offensively than Dalton. If you can't admit that, then you are way too far gone and stuck on that hill to reckon with. 

Bryce would have extended some plays scrambling with his legs but then again he also has a high number of fumbles so you never know what you're going to get and the way the Bills were getting after Andy (sacked 7 times) it stands to reason Bryce would have been under duress often. What exactly do you want here? I mean I'm going to go by the gameplan I saw after Bryce turned the ball over against GB. Clearly Dave Canales was deliberately trying to limit the opportunities for him to make a catastrophic mistake. And didn't Micah Parsons log zero QB pressures? So with that in mind if you are asking for anyone to argue our offense with Bryce would have had much if any success against that opportunistic motivated Bills defense while we were also splitting carries between Rico and Chuba who had the majority of them which ended up being a situation resulting in a weeks worth of scathing criticism and deservedly so then I'm going to just have to say we can agree to disagree.

[The Lobo]

13 minutes ago, Super Grateful said:

 

The Bills would have still scored on our defense but Bryce would have absolutely played better and put us in a better position offensively than Dalton. If you can't admit that, then you are way too far gone and stuck on that hill to reckon with. 

Sure, would have been 12 instead of 9

[strato]

55 minutes ago, Super Grateful said:

 

The Bills would have still scored on our defense but Bryce would have absolutely played better and put us in a better position offensively than Dalton. If you can't admit that, then you are way too far gone and stuck on that hill to reckon with. 

You don’t know what would have happened. So trying to argue that you do is just bullshit. 

[Khyber53]

3 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'm probably one of those posters, but I make those posts because there are too many things going on that don't make sense. For instance, how does a RB that does something that hasn't been done in 14 years immediately get reverted back to 2nd string, and it takes a leadership council to make him the starter when he's averaging 3x the YPC? Your average fan shouldn't be screaming that for 2 weeks before the coach sees it. And that's one of many. 

What you're seeing is frustration that we could be better, that we should be better, if our owner, FO, and coaches could do things that are so painfully obvious to even the most basic fan 

There's an old unwritten rule in the NFL that you don't lose your starting position due to injury. The guys in the locker room know it and live by it. Rico knew it coming in and he never said a word otherwise except for praise for Chuba. And when Chuba came back, the Coach put him back as the starter and gave him the lead job for the game.

And now it seems like Rico is in the first chair and Chuba is the supporting running back. We may see it move back and forth. And that might not be based on prior game performance but because of injury or fatigue issues we have no knowledge of, or because one or the other can handle the game plan details better than the other. It could be something as simple as one of the guys being better at pass protection from the left or right side and they are comparing that with where they are seeing tendencies from the opposing team.

More than anything, I think that it's much like our inactivity at the trade deadline, Canales is building a very solid, traditional pro football culture here. And it may sometimes deal with more of what the players expect than what their fantasy football stats are.

[CPcavedweller]

23 hours ago, frankw said:

Bryce Young career passing yards per attempt: 5.8

Bryce Young passing yards per game in his third season as a starter: 173.8

Jimmy Clausen career passing yards per attempt: 5.3

Jimmy Clausen average passing yards per game in 2010: 119.8

He's a high end Jimmy Clausen it is what it is man. His yards per play within an offense that relies on others are within the same threshold. You can win some games with him when everything is going right and other moving parts are carrying the burden. But that is not worthy of a #1 pick and you absolutely have to keep looking.

Jimmy Clausen was so bad this isn't even worth talking about. As middling as Bryce has been, Clausen was just bad man. Not to be confused with a bad man. 

[Khaki Lackey]

10 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Jimmy Clausen was so bad this isn't even worth talking about. As middling as Bryce has been, Clausen was just bad man. Not to be confused with a bad man. 

I think if Pickles was given three years, he might could eek out a few 100-150 yard games.

[frankw]

12 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Jimmy Clausen was so bad this isn't even worth talking about. As middling as Bryce has been, Clausen was just bad man. Not to be confused with a bad man. 

Listen man. I don't want to be rude. But I have to be very direct here. You are not dealing in realities.

Here is the reality.

It took #1 overall pick Bryce Young who was billed as a generational ball distributor 19 starts to surpass UDFA Kyle Allen's passing yardage from 2019 over the course of 13 games.

Bryce Young is not favorably comparable to any other former Panthers QB expect Jimmy Clausen. It is what it is.

[Super Grateful]

10 minutes ago, frankw said:

Listen man. I don't want to be rude. But I have to be very direct here. You are not dealing in realities.

Here is the reality.

It took #1 overall pick Bryce Young who was billed as a generational ball distributor 19 starts to surpass UDFA Kyle Allen's passing yardage from 2019 over the course of 13 games.

Bryce Young is not favorably comparable to any other former Panthers QB expect Jimmy Clausen. It is what it is.

[frankw]

22 minutes ago, Super Grateful said:

Neither are limited physically both have elite NFL arm talent.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

There's an old unwritten rule in the NFL that you don't lose your starting position due to injury. The guys in the locker room know it and live by it. Rico knew it coming in and he never said a word otherwise except for praise for Chuba. And when Chuba came back, the Coach put him back as the starter and gave him the lead job for the game.

And now it seems like Rico is in the first chair and Chuba is the supporting running back. We may see it move back and forth. And that might not be based on prior game performance but because of injury or fatigue issues we have no knowledge of, or because one or the other can handle the game plan details better than the other. It could be something as simple as one of the guys being better at pass protection from the left or right side and they are comparing that with where they are seeing tendencies from the opposing team.

More than anything, I think that it's much like our inactivity at the trade deadline, Canales is building a very solid, traditional pro football culture here. And it may sometimes deal with more of what the players expect than what their fantasy football stats are.

Who cares what fantasy football stats are. The offenses looked completely different with Chuba vs Rico. Call it an unwritten rule, but putting your team in a better position to win during the game isn't breaking some unwritten rule, it's doing what's best for the team. And there are plenty of instances across the league where a player has gotten injured and lost his starting job. Probably one of the most notable, Bledsoe getting injured and losing his to a 6th round draft pick that happened to end up being the GOAT. If your ultimate goal is to build a winner, then that's the expectation that needs to be set. What's best for the team to be successful, personal feelings aside.