This Bryce Guy (General BY Discussion)

[Bear Hands]

If I'm being honest, I still have no idea what to think of Bryce.  And the uncertainty/divide in how to think of him only further shows why everyone is in a bit of a tough spot (fans, the team, heck, Bryce himself)

He's had:

3 non-consecutive stellar games this year (DAL, LAR, ATL-2) - no disputing this

2 games where he initially looked terrible and then turned it around (AZ, MIA) - Both started so bad but he eventually came around. 

6 where he was just really bad and difficult to watch.  What we've been used to and was as recent as Thanksgiving on National TV.    

1 where he didn't need to do much and we won handedly (ATL-1)

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I think what a lot comes down to - Most fans REALLY don't like the fact that he has insurmountable physical limitations, so when he's bad, it feels like the pit of misery.  Being stuck with a guy with no real elite physical traits where the team needs to be near perfect. It's just like "Ugh we're stuck with this shrimp dick?"

He only very recently pulled together a game where he showed off franchise ability.  I just need to see more.  Nothing has come together but we've finally seen a flash.  Took a while, but the Atlanta and Rams games were what I want to see.  Hope it can continue. 

The duds just hit you like a frying pan to the head.

[raleigh-panther]

This is young’s time to shine

Execute or take your seat at the kiddie table

i can say this. The Bryce that comes out of the tunnel will tell the tale of this game and the season 

watch his face in warmups or on the first offensive series

if he looks like he just turned off a video game in his pajamas leaving his momma’s basement, kinda deer in the headlights like  the 49ers or sleepwalking like the first saints game,  it is over

if he looks focused and composed, a chance 

he can be very uneven 

[frankw]

29 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

The duds just hit you like a frying pan to the head.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, Bear Hands said:

If I'm being honest, I still have no idea what to think of Bryce.  And the uncertainty/divide in how to think of him only further shows why everyone is in a bit of a tough spot (fans, the team, heck, Bryce himself)

He's had:

3 non-consecutive stellar games this year (DAL, LAR, ATL-2) - no disputing this

2 games where he initially looked terrible and then turned it around (AZ, MIA) - Both started so bad but he eventually came around. 

6 where he was just really bad and difficult to watch.  What we've been used to and was as recent as Thanksgiving on National TV.    

1 where he didn't need to do much and we won handedly (ATL-1)

-

I think what a lot comes down to - Most fans REALLY don't like the fact that he has insurmountable physical limitations, so when he's bad, it feels like the pit of misery.  Being stuck with a guy with no real elite physical traits where the team needs to be near perfect. It's just like "Ugh we're stuck with this shrimp dick?"

He only very recently pulled together a game where he showed off franchise ability.  I just need to see more.  Nothing has come together but we've finally seen a flash.  Took a while, but the Atlanta and Rams games were what I want to see.  Hope it can continue. 

The duds just hit you like a frying pan to the head.

I'd disagree about the LAR game being stellar. He made a couple of key 4th down throws for touchdown, good throws and I give him credit for those, and a throw to Coker to seal the game but I wouldn't consider that a stellar game. The screen pass to Chubba was a standard screen pass. We had to have 2 4th down risky calls because the rest of the offense wasn't working. We were not moving the ball at will. Without a pick in the end zone and one returned for a TD, that 10 -14 point swing, we don't win that game. Bryce did not own that game. He had 3 great throws in that game, but that was really it. He did not dominate that game, at least from my point of view. 9 times out of 10, we don't win that game. Without those 3 takeaways, we don't win that game. 

The Dallas game, he had 200 yards passing and 3/1, but again, I wouldn't consider that stellar. What Rico did was stellar. I would consider what Bryce did a good game for a starting NFL QB. That's what those stat lines reflect and what he did in game. Did he make some big throws. Yes. But again. He didn't own that game. Rico owned that game. Maybe that's a stellar game for Bryce. I consider it a good game for a franchise QB. I expect 8 of those performances a year. 

Atlanta 2.0 was a stellar game. He did get a lot of help from his receivers with YAC but he was throwing it everywhere and he owned the field. That game he looked like a franchise QB. 

It's all in how you look at it I guess. The bar has been so low that a good game for a starting NFL QB can be considered stellar for Bryce. I want and expect more from a starting NFL QB, especially one that's going to be coming off his rookie contract and won't be able to have all the resources spent to surround him just to have this level of performance. If Bryce was a 5th round QB and not a 1st we wouldn't be having this discussion and therein lies the real issue I think. We're so heavily invested it's distorted our perception. If Bryce was playing for any other team we line up against on Sunday we'd be salivating. 

 

[raleigh-panther]

54 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'd disagree about the LAR game being stellar. He made a couple of key 4th down throws for touchdown, good throws and I give him credit for those, and a throw to Coker to seal the game but I wouldn't consider that a stellar game. The screen pass to Chubba was a standard screen pass. We had to have 2 4th down risky calls because the rest of the offense wasn't working. We were not moving the ball at will. Without a pick in the end zone and one returned for a TD, that 10 -14 point swing, we don't win that game. Bryce did not own that game. He had 3 great throws in that game, but that was really it. He did not dominate that game, at least from my point of view. 9 times out of 10, we don't win that game. Without those 3 takeaways, we don't win that game. 

The Dallas game, he had 200 yards passing and 3/1, but again, I wouldn't consider that stellar. What Rico did was stellar. I would consider what Bryce did a good game for a starting NFL QB. That's what those stat lines reflect and what he did in game. Did he make some big throws. Yes. But again. He didn't own that game. Rico owned that game. Maybe that's a stellar game for Bryce. I consider it a good game for a franchise QB. I expect 8 of those performances a year. 

Atlanta 2.0 was a stellar game. He did get a lot of help from his receivers with YAC but he was throwing it everywhere and he owned the field. That game he looked like a franchise QB. 

It's all in how you look at it I guess. The bar has been so low that a good game for a starting NFL QB can be considered stellar for Bryce. I want and expect more from a starting NFL QB, especially one that's going to be coming off his rookie contract and won't be able to have all the resources spent to surround him just to have this level of performance. If Bryce was a 5th round QB and not a 1st we wouldn't be having this discussion and therein lies the real issue I think. We're so heavily invested it's distorted our perception. If Bryce was playing for any other team we line up against on Sunday we'd be salivating. 

 

I wish i didnt feel exactly the way you do

they will find a lot put about their starting qb over the next 4 games

nothing we can do about  it in any case, he will be the starter in 2026

 

[Bear Hands]

45 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'd disagree about the LAR game being stellar. He made a couple of key 4th down throws for touchdown, good throws and I give him credit for those, and a throw to Coker to seal the game but I wouldn't consider that a stellar game. The screen pass to Chubba was a standard screen pass. We had to have 2 4th down risky calls because the rest of the offense wasn't working. We were not moving the ball at will. Without a pick in the end zone and one returned for a TD, that 10 -14 point swing, we don't win that game. Bryce did not own that game. He had 3 great throws in that game, but that was really it. He did not dominate that game, at least from my point of view. 9 times out of 10, we don't win that game. Without those 3 takeaways, we don't win that game. 

The Dallas game, he had 200 yards passing and 3/1, but again, I wouldn't consider that stellar. What Rico did was stellar. I would consider what Bryce did a good game for a starting NFL QB. That's what those stat lines reflect and what he did in game. Did he make some big throws. Yes. But again. He didn't own that game. Rico owned that game. Maybe that's a stellar game for Bryce. I consider it a good game for a franchise QB. I expect 8 of those performances a year. 

Atlanta 2.0 was a stellar game. He did get a lot of help from his receivers with YAC but he was throwing it everywhere and he owned the field. That game he looked like a franchise QB. 

It's all in how you look at it I guess. The bar has been so low that a good game for a starting NFL QB can be considered stellar for Bryce. I want and expect more from a starting NFL QB, especially one that's going to be coming off his rookie contract and won't be able to have all the resources spent to surround him just to have this level of performance. If Bryce was a 5th round QB and not a 1st we wouldn't be having this discussion and therein lies the real issue I think. We're so heavily invested it's distorted our perception. If Bryce was playing for any other team we line up against on Sunday we'd be salivating. 

 

Yeah I'll concede some about the Rams game-- it's relative to a few degrees.  To what we've been accustomed to with Bryce, historically at the QB position w/the franchise, and recent play around the league.      

Where he's been consistent with are 2 particular instances - crossers (mainly to Coker at the Y) and extended routes where he's been able to roll out and step up to hit McMillan (twice on a post, once on a go).  He can also have some good vision with enough time in the seams, but its still limiting with his height.  

He still hasn't shown much touch in the pocket for my liking.  For example, when he's hitting guys outside against zone (I don't think he'll ever be that great in this regard) his balls are just so flat.  Which is why I don't fly with the Brees comparisons.  His balls in the pocket from 3 or 5 step are always kind of these duds, don't have the zip you want, don't get there quick enough to have a guy work in space.  Brees could chip away against teams playing zone with good zip in the short outside game, only to skirt around eventually to find a guy deep.  Bryce can do half of that, but his short/intermediate game is still pretty limited.  

Will be interested to see how it progresses. 

[cranky]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'd disagree about the LAR game being stellar. He made a couple of key 4th down throws for touchdown, good throws and I give him credit for those, and a throw to Coker to seal the game but I wouldn't consider that a stellar game. The screen pass to Chubba was a standard screen pass. We had to have 2 4th down risky calls because the rest of the offense wasn't working. We were not moving the ball at will. Without a pick in the end zone and one returned for a TD, that 10 -14 point swing, we don't win that game. Bryce did not own that game. He had 3 great throws in that game, but that was really it. He did not dominate that game, at least from my point of view. 9 times out of 10, we don't win that game. Without those 3 takeaways, we don't win that game. 

The Dallas game, he had 200 yards passing and 3/1, but again, I wouldn't consider that stellar. What Rico did was stellar. I would consider what Bryce did a good game for a starting NFL QB. That's what those stat lines reflect and what he did in game. Did he make some big throws. Yes. But again. He didn't own that game. Rico owned that game. Maybe that's a stellar game for Bryce. I consider it a good game for a franchise QB. I expect 8 of those performances a year. 

Atlanta 2.0 was a stellar game. He did get a lot of help from his receivers with YAC but he was throwing it everywhere and he owned the field. That game he looked like a franchise QB. 

It's all in how you look at it I guess. The bar has been so low that a good game for a starting NFL QB can be considered stellar for Bryce. I want and expect more from a starting NFL QB, especially one that's going to be coming off his rookie contract and won't be able to have all the resources spent to surround him just to have this level of performance. If Bryce was a 5th round QB and not a 1st we wouldn't be having this discussion and therein lies the real issue I think. We're so heavily invested it's distorted our perception. If Bryce was playing for any other team we line up against on Sunday we'd be salivating. 

 

Not trying to be argumentative but I'm not sure what else Bryce could have done in the Rams game to have been better. He completed 75% of his passes, threw for 3 TD's, was 46% on 3rd down conversions, averaged a little over 8 yards a pass and had a 147 passer rating. I mean he can only work with what he is given and I thought he did well with those 20 possesions.

And I'm not sure those 4th down plays were called because the offense wasn't working. Like I pointed out above, they were converting over 46% on 3rd downs and they only punted 3 times on 8 positions. I would guess those 4th downs were because Canales knew they couldn't beat the Rams without the extra possessions. 

 

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