Vet QB Options - Trade/Cut/FA Edition

[L-TownCat]

The QB position has been in a steady decline for years.  You’ve got a few really good ones and then it’s just a mess after that.  The NFL needs to figure out how to develop QBs before we full on revert to leather helmet (rugby) football.

[jb2288]

I think Dak could be in play. Not necessarily saying for us, but in general I think he could get moved. Jerry has the ammo from the Micah trade if he loves one of the guys coming out 

[jb2288]

17 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

The QB position has been in a steady decline for years.  You’ve got a few really good ones and then it’s just a mess after that.  The NFL needs to figure out how to develop QBs before we full on revert to leather helmet (rugby) football.

They did it to themselves but it will work its way back. We are being smart and figuring out the league is not the pass happy one of 2018-2023 and getting ahead of it. Once every team stop running majority double high safety looks and have to commit to the run again, QBs will magically look great again

[LinvilleGorge]

22 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

The QB position has been in a steady decline for years.  You’ve got a few really good ones and then it’s just a mess after that.  The NFL needs to figure out how to develop QBs before we full on revert to leather helmet (rugby) football.

I don't think it has. I just think the position has become more and more vital to success. The days of dragging the Trent Dilfers and Brad Johnsons of the world to Super Bowls are over. People will point to Nick Foles but that guy played out of his mind in that Super Bowl run. He didn't play like a Trent Dilfer, he caught lightning in a bottle and played like a Hall of Famer for a very brief but very key period.

[ProcessBlue2]

You left out a guy that I would watch. Davis Mills while CJ Stroud is out. He struggled a little against the Broncos defense (who wouldn’t) and had not been practicing with the 1s. He has been considered by some to be one of the best back ups in the league. 
 

I would also watch out for Mac Jones. He’s doing really well with a very injury ridden team. He seems to be going down the Darnold path. 

[ProcessBlue2]

44 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

The QB position has been in a steady decline for years.  You’ve got a few really good ones and then it’s just a mess after that.  The NFL needs to figure out how to develop QBs before we full on revert to leather helmet (rugby) football.

I’m fine with it considering we never found one of those Rivers/Manning/Brady/Brees types from that era. Our best QB only threw for 4,000 once. And our Passing TD record is from a traveling vet that played here 27 years ago. 
 

Rugby style football is our DNA

[kungfoodude]

This list seems to be lacking any look at contract structures. I would suggest browsing OTC for a bit. Some of these will immediately change from possible to absolutely impossible.

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

The QB position has been in a steady decline for years.  You’ve got a few really good ones and then it’s just a mess after that.  The NFL needs to figure out how to develop QBs before we full on revert to leather helmet (rugby) football.

I don't think it is as dire as that.

There is certainly some NFL chatter that QB's are less prepared than before(several reasons given).

I am less inclined to believe that than I believe the NFL just has less overall impulse control with QB's. Similar to the NBA pre-age limit. No one made these idiots overdraft 18 year old HS players, they just did it.

[PanthersNCSU]

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

This list seems to be lacking any look at contract structures. I would suggest browsing OTC for a bit. Some of these will immediately change from possible to absolutely impossible.

Contracts were mentioned for most of the theoretical options (Dak, TLaw, Kyler, Purdy, Tua, Geno), including multiple mentions of how unlikely it is because of the contracts, who just signed new ones, which are easier to get out of, etc. 

Post-June 1st trade, using OTC, were also looked at...and make some of them a little more likely and palatable for the team shipping them out.  

[PleaseCutStewart]

Still think Jameis is the way to go for Vet QB. Best talent of the bottom tier QB - you just gotta hope his ~5 dumb passes in a game don't result in an INT

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Still think Jameis is the way to go for Vet QB. Best talent of the bottom tier QB - you just gotta hope his ~5 dumb passes in a game don't result in an INT

I wanted to trade for either Jameis or Howell before the trade deadline.

[PNW_PantherMan]

9 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think it is as dire as that.

There is certainly some NFL chatter that QB's are less prepared than before(several reasons given).

I am less inclined to believe that than I believe the NFL just has less overall impulse control with QB's. Similar to the NBA pre-age limit. No one made these idiots overdraft 18 year old HS players, they just did it.

The potential payout is so high that no risk is too great when it comes to finding a dude at QB.  That's why we're seeing day 3 and UDFA guys go Top 5.  Trey Lance was the most egregious example.

[kungfoodude]

24 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Still think Jameis is the way to go for Vet QB. Best talent of the bottom tier QB - you just gotta hope his ~5 dumb passes in a game don't result in an INT

His career 1.06 INT's a game would suggest otherwise. 5 dumb passes a game is very kind. TBH, it's probably closer to 15-20% of his overall passes are dumb or ill advised. It's just who he is.

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wanted to trade for either Jameis or Howell before the trade deadline.

I still don't agree with this philosophy. The "I THROW BALL COACH! I DO GOOD!" QB's are just not what I view as a long term solution nor a winning strategy. I can understand the want to move on from whatever Bryce is doing, believe me, I am in complete agreement on that.

I just don't view a potential increase in TO's to be worth the trouble. Also, I don't think this Canales offense is one that guys like Winston/Howell are really going to shine the best way that they can.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

The potential payout is so high that no risk is too great when it comes to finding a dude at QB.  That's why we're seeing day 3 and UDFA guys go Top 5.  Trey Lance was the most egregious example.

I think Richardson was the most egregious in recent memory. He was so clearly nowhere near an NFL caliber QB. I will never understand how anyone could be fooled by that guy.