Nextgen stats insight saints panthers

[raleigh-panther]

Next Gen Stats Insight for Saints-Panthers (via NFL Pro): 

 

Much of Tyler Shough’s production was directed outside the numbers, as he finished 11 of 16 for 202 yards and both of his touchdowns on such attempts.

His yardage total outside the numbers was the second-most by a Saints quarterback in the last eight seasons and most by any rookie in 2025.

NFL Research:

The Panthers had their sixth game of the season with seven or fewer points in the first half.

Carolina is 2-15 when Bryce Young starts at QB and has less than 70 yards in the first half in his career.

[Panthera onca]

Woof. Dave and Dan are smart enough to understand what the deal is with Bryce. They just have to convince Tepper that we have to move on.

[CRA]

22 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Woof. Dave and Dan are smart enough to understand what the deal is with Bryce. They just have to convince Tepper that we have to move on.

I still don’t get the Dan Morgan mental gymnastics and how folks have invented this world where Morgan quietly raged against all Fitterer’s decisions with no evidence. 

I think odds are Bryce present day is here because of Morgan more so than Tepper.  Tepper is horrible at hiring but Tepper isn’t the type to get stuck on ideas or people or afraid to admit mistakes (his is the opposite). 

[raleigh-panther]

25 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Woof. Dave and Dan are smart enough to understand what the deal is with Bryce. They just have to convince Tepper that we have to move on.

No way do they give him a contract

Keep him through year 4 but on the bench and get brisset for next year

find that qb in 2027 draft

seen enough 

nothing short of a prolific offensive showing over the remaining  games against decent opponents justifies keeping him in a starting role next year 

..or Canales as offensive coordinator 

[raleigh-panther]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I still don’t get the Dan Morgan mental gymnastics and how folks have invented this world where Morgan quietly raged against all Fitterer’s decisions with no evidence. 

I think odds are Bryce present day is here because of Morgan more so than Tepper.  Tepper is horrible at hiring but Tepper isn’t the type to get stuck on ideas or people or afraid to admit mistakes (his is the opposite). 

Quite honestly 

the decisions by dave and dan on the qb room makeup in 2025 indicates either 

1. A prove  it that young is not the guy by giving him no pressure of competition and every opportunity to fail to show the owner that the franchise needs to move on

or

2. God forbid, they really  believe he is a nfl capable qb 

fans are screwed in either case

[Waldo]

Prove it. I haven't seen it yet.

People think the sitting last year was punishment but I still think that was part of them working on Young, giving him time to reset and juggling owership pressure. I still think that DC and DM were always on the Bryce train and signing Dalton again makes me think '25 was no different. Im going to have to see them do something more than churn PS QBs behind a broken and broke down Dalton to belive anything has changed. 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

19 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Quite honestly 

the decisions by dave and dan on the qb room makeup in 2025 indicates either 

1. A prove  it that young is not the guy by giving him no pressure of competition and every opportunity to fail to show the owner that the franchise needs to move on

or

2. God forbid, they really  believe he is a nfl capable qb 

fans are screwed in either case

I really just don't see how #2 is even possible. I mean, I'm not sold on Canales and/or Morgan being the answers for their current positions but at the same time these guys definitely know football. There's no way anyone who knows football can watch these games and say "Yeah, we've got the guy at QB we just have to keep building the rest of the roster to support him." Just absolutely no way.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I really just don't see how #2 is even possible. I mean, I'm not sold on Canales and/or Morgan being the answers for their current positions but at the same time these guys definitely know football. There's no way anyone who knows football can watch these games and say "Yeah, we've got the guy at QB we just have to keep building the rest of the roster to support him." Just absolutely no way.

The 49ers gave Purdy $53 million a year to be a game manager that Mac Jones is competing with. 

I think we should just admit these are people and people can do some really dumb things.  

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Waldo said:

The 49ers gave Purdy $53 million a year to be a game manager that Mac Jones is competing with. 

I think we should just admit these are people and people can do some really dumb things.  

The Purdy contract was incredibly dumb but at the same time he was being an effective game manager and they were winning games. I understand the fear of moving on from that. I think it was dumb and incredibly limited their future potential but it's a far cry from the Bryce situation where it's pretty obvious we have one of the worst starters in the league.

[Panthera onca]

38 minutes ago, CRA said:

I still don’t get the Dan Morgan mental gymnastics and how folks have invented this world where Morgan quietly raged against all Fitterer’s decisions with no evidence. 

I think odds are Bryce present day is here because of Morgan more so than Tepper.  Tepper is horrible at hiring but Tepper isn’t the type to get stuck on ideas or people or afraid to admit mistakes (his is the opposite). 

By no means am I sold on Dave and Dan but Morgan played NFL football at a high level and knows what he is looking at. I firmly believe Tepper anchored these guys with Bryce and told them they had to try to fix him before moving on. Dan has made enough decent moves to convince me he understands how to build a team.

[t96]

44 minutes ago, CRA said:

I still don’t get the Dan Morgan mental gymnastics and how folks have invented this world where Morgan quietly raged against all Fitterer’s decisions with no evidence. 

I think odds are Bryce present day is here because of Morgan more so than Tepper.  Tepper is horrible at hiring but Tepper isn’t the type to get stuck on ideas or people or afraid to admit mistakes (his is the opposite). 

Dan has had some ok moves and jury is out on him as a GM, but I still can't fathom that we fuging hired a GM from the shitshow that was Fitterer's staff. Our QB group this year only supports that viewpoint.

[raleigh-panther]

19 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

By no means am I sold on Dave and Dan but Morgan played NFL football at a high level and knows what he is looking at. I firmly believe Tepper anchored these guys with Bryce and told them they had to try to fix him before moving on. Dan has made enough decent moves to convince me he understands how to build a team.

Perhaps 

given tepper allowed the panthers to move on from darnold and baker 

and Cam

Too quickly without a plan other than ‘swing for the fences until we find our guy’ Fetterer

[Jon Snow]

30 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Prove it. I haven't seen it yet.

People think the sitting last year was punishment but I still think that was part of them working on Young, giving him time to reset and juggling owership pressure. I still think that DC and DM were always on the Bryce train and signing Dalton again makes me think '25 was no different. Im going to have to see them do something more than churn PS QBs behind a broken and broke down Dalton to belive anything has changed. 

 

I think the results prove your theory.

Tepper will look even dumber than he does if he doesn't allow them to bring in REAL competition here. 

It's now so obvious to everyone and their grandmother that Young cannot compete in the nfl. Anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together can see it. They have no other choice but to upgrade the qb room. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Fitterer has to go down as one of the worst GMs of all time. Dude was pure putrid dog poo.