Does Bryce deserve credit for game-winning drives?

[CRA]

2 hours ago, strato said:

We will disagree on the hiding part. Protecting from turnovers is how I saw it but not worth a million words.  
I thought the receivers were given better balls than normal, as a result of the QB being sharper with his throws.  
At the same time when you have games with 11 completions they aren’t getting a lot of chances compared to 31 or whatever it was.  

the WR/TEs overperformed against a bad team.  Especially after the half. 

I mean, if Bryce Young never came out after halftime, everyone would basically be ready to bench him for good.  That wasn't a "confident" guy.  First half was basically the textbook Bryce game.  Scripted opening drive was good and a bunch of nothing. 

Bryce didn't throw any more deep balls than the week before vs the Saints.  What changed this game is our WRs just got open and did a lot with the ball in their hands vs a bad team in the 2nd half. 

I mean, props to Bryce on wanting to stay in and rebounding some in this game.  But largely the narrative is a random half of football is argued we should think something different now about him.  Which makes no sense 2.5+ years into what is a very consistent QB in terms of what he is and isn't overall. 

[parker]

He does.  If he takes the blame when people don't get open, they don't block and they drop passes that go through their hands, he gets the credit.  The QB always gets the credit or the blame.

[beckersteen]

Stats don't lie, but people do. It's a fine stat, but it's a red flag if those are the only wins.

[strato]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

the WR/TEs overperformed against a bad team.  Especially after the half. 

I mean, if Bryce Young never came out after halftime, everyone would basically be ready to bench him for good.  That wasn't a "confident" guy.  First half was basically the textbook Bryce game.  Scripted opening drive was good and a bunch of nothing. 

Bryce didn't throw any more deep balls than the week before vs the Saints.  What changed this game is our WRs just got open and did a lot with the ball in their hands vs a bad team in the 2nd half. 

Passing chart had 3 over 20 I think. The Legette TD and another completion and an incompletion. All over 20 yards.  An incompletion at 19 or maybe 20 yards. So you could technically probably say 4 throws 20 or more.  
 

That seems high to me compared to the norm. 45 throws and 10 YPA are both way high. 
 

[Mage]

Game-winning drives have been credited to QBs since the beginning of time

[CRA]

33 minutes ago, strato said:

Passing chart had 3 over 20 I think. The Legette TD and another completion and an incompletion. All over 20 yards.  An incompletion at 19 or maybe 20 yards. So you could technically probably say 4 throws 20 or more.  
 

That seems high to me compared to the norm. 45 throws and 10 YPA are both way high. 
 

 

He averaged 2.2 going into Atlanta.  3 shot attempts is the most consistent number that pops on his pass charts.  5 games w/ 3 attempts.  His high was Miami with 4. 

[strato]

16 minutes ago, Mage said:

Game-winning drives have been credited to QBs since the beginning of time

I used to think that stat meant something special. Turns out, a fraction of the time… a GWD is really some special thing  

It is about like when people say a fraction of this or that, but they actually mean a small fraction. 1/1 is technically a fraction. Handing off one time at 14.58 in the 4th quarter, then calling the kicker in… is technically a GWD. Woot. Call the HOF committee.  
 

 

[TN05]

5 minutes ago, strato said:

Handing off one time at 14.58 in the 4th quarter, then calling the kicker in… is technically a GWD. Woot. Call the HOF committee.  

And like I already showed, only two games of of 10 here fall into that. The numbers are likely similar to other QBs.

Edited 8 minutes ago by TN05