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Does Bryce deserve credit for game-winning drives?

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2 hours ago, strato said:

We will disagree on the hiding part. Protecting from turnovers is how I saw it but not worth a million words.  
I thought the receivers were given better balls than normal, as a result of the QB being sharper with his throws.  
At the same time when you have games with 11 completions they aren’t getting a lot of chances compared to 31 or whatever it was.  

the WR/TEs overperformed against a bad team.  Especially after the half. 

I mean, if Bryce Young never came out after halftime, everyone would basically be ready to bench him for good.  That wasn't a "confident" guy.  First half was basically the textbook Bryce game.  Scripted opening drive was good and a bunch of nothing. 

Bryce didn't throw any more deep balls than the week before vs the Saints.  What changed this game is our WRs just got open and did a lot with the ball in their hands vs a bad team in the 2nd half. 

I mean, props to Bryce on wanting to stay in and rebounding some in this game.  But largely the narrative is a random half of football is argued we should think something different now about him.  Which makes no sense 2.5+ years into what is a very consistent QB in terms of what he is and isn't overall. 

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9 minutes ago, CRA said:

the WR/TEs overperformed against a bad team.  Especially after the half. 

I mean, if Bryce Young never came out after halftime, everyone would basically be ready to bench him for good.  That wasn't a "confident" guy.  First half was basically the textbook Bryce game.  Scripted opening drive was good and a bunch of nothing. 

Bryce didn't throw any more deep balls than the week before vs the Saints.  What changed this game is our WRs just got open and did a lot with the ball in their hands vs a bad team in the 2nd half. 

Passing chart had 3 over 20 I think. The Legette TD and another completion and an incompletion. All over 20 yards.  An incompletion at 19 or maybe 20 yards. So you could technically probably say 4 throws 20 or more.  
 

That seems high to me compared to the norm. 45 throws and 10 YPA are both way high. 
 


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33 minutes ago, strato said:

Passing chart had 3 over 20 I think. The Legette TD and another completion and an incompletion. All over 20 yards.  An incompletion at 19 or maybe 20 yards. So you could technically probably say 4 throws 20 or more.  
 

That seems high to me compared to the norm. 45 throws and 10 YPA are both way high. 
 

 

He averaged 2.2 going into Atlanta.  3 shot attempts is the most consistent number that pops on his pass charts.  5 games w/ 3 attempts.  His high was Miami with 4. 

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16 minutes ago, Mage said:

Game-winning drives have been credited to QBs since the beginning of time

I used to think that stat meant something special. Turns out, a fraction of the time… a GWD is really some special thing  

It is about like when people say a fraction of this or that, but they actually mean a small fraction. 1/1 is technically a fraction. Handing off one time at 14.58 in the 4th quarter, then calling the kicker in… is technically a GWD. Woot. Call the HOF committee.  
 

 

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5 minutes ago, strato said:

Handing off one time at 14.58 in the 4th quarter, then calling the kicker in… is technically a GWD. Woot. Call the HOF committee.  

And like I already showed, only two games of of 10 here fall into that. The numbers are likely similar to other QBs.

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22 minutes ago, TN05 said:

And like I already showed, only two games of of 10 here fall into that. The numbers are likely similar to other QBs.

I am not making it Bryce specific. Haven’t been for a while now, once I understood the nuance of it.
In fact the only time I have mentioned it in relation to Bryce this time around that I recall, is to show that another QB could get the same credit for that handoff scenario as Bryce did for his actual last possession on Sunday. Which is unfair. 

My point is it is a shitty indicator in general. 

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6 hours ago, Basbear said:

Look.... if us BY "haters" give credit about his GWDs...... Will the BY stans also have honest discussion about the 55minutes before the last 5 in which BY has put up 9/20 for 78 yards 0 TDs???

 

Except in most of those games he doesn’t have that type of stat line.

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9 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Except in most of those games he doesn’t have that type of stat line.

In a majority of the games if you take out the scripted drive - which the first few weeks didn’t amount to much at all half the time, there wasn’t a lot of meat on the bone. 
Even Sunday he had 130 and a TD in the first half, in his probably best game ever. 
His bad games were bad. 
This week will really be interesting. If he plays.  

 

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32 minutes ago, strato said:

In a majority of the games if you take out the scripted drive - which the first few weeks didn’t amount to much at all half the time, there wasn’t a lot of meat on the bone. 
Even Sunday he had 130 and a TD in the first half, in his probably best game ever. 
His bad games were bad. 
This week will really be interesting. If he plays.  

 

Well in the past they didn’t open the playbook. I’ve been saying they should stop being conservative and let Bryce sling it. No coincidence his yardage went up.

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