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I’m not sure people understand how fuging bad it is


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12 hours ago, Shocker said:

OP is a cancer on this board.  Not sure everyone here realizes it but this board is viewed as an absolute cesspool of negativity and trolls.  It can’t be changed now.  So, all the morons that make numerous ridiculous threads need new lives.

Well we really value your input Shocker.
we couldn’t know how horrible we were if you weren’t here to tell us. 

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21 hours ago, strato said:

You didn’t even have to get into his atrocious footwork and throwing mechanics. 

If he came to the team with beautiful, NFL ready footwork and throwing mechanics, he might have been minimally successful as the ‘big brain’, ‘point guard’ model he was advertised as.  Even then, an offense would have to be created just for the unicorn that he would be.  Woulda, coulda, shoulda…

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2 hours ago, frankw said:

The league did Jerry Richardson dirty.

Pretty hard to feel bad for a guy that was basically groping women near constantly for the better part of two decades.

they “went after Richardson” because he’d torched the inheritance plans for his team and was barely competent anyway. It was easier to clear the way and let someone pay cash than to drag it all out and turn it into another New Orleans situation.

Of course we got stuck with tepper but from the leagues perspective none of his freak poo has come out yet and he’s better at hiding it. 

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14 hours ago, Shocker said:

OP is a cancer on this board.  Not sure everyone here realizes it but this board is viewed as an absolute cesspool of negativity and trolls.  It can’t be changed now.  So, all the morons that make numerous ridiculous threads need new lives.

And yet, you’re still here to remind us what the upper echelons of our fanbase look like…  I guess.🤣

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1 hour ago, bythenbrs said:

If he came to the team with beautiful, NFL ready footwork and throwing mechanics, he might have been minimally successful as the ‘big brain’, ‘point guard’ model he was advertised as.  Even then, an offense would have to be created just for the unicorn that he would be.  Woulda, coulda, shoulda…

I think so. The rub is, you cannot remake yourself down to that molecular type level of all your techniques and ways you do things, at the top level of your profession, on the fly. If at all. I made at least a dozen posts over the years explaining my thoughts on that issue.

He would have had to have that stuff in order from day one. I think it would been a different story, completely. Or could have been. 

You can’t fix height or arm strength or foot speed or size, to any significant degree though and he should have never been drafted so high. Even with better technique. That was a horrible call on our part.  

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11 minutes ago, strato said:

I think so. The rub is, you cannot remake yourself down to that molecular type level of all your techniques and ways you do things, at the top level of your profession, on the fly. If at all. I made at least a dozen posts over the years explaining my thoughts on that issue.

He would have had to have that stuff in order from day one. I think it would been a different story, completely. Or could have been. 

You can’t fix height or arm strength or foot speed or size, to any significant degree though and he should have never been drafted so high. Even with better technique. That was a horrible call on our part.  

I wish Reich had forced him to sit his entire rookie year but I think his hands were tied. Or he was so pissed he wanted to run everyone's nose in how BAD Bryce was... Because man... 

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11 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I wish Reich had forced him to sit his entire rookie year but I think his hands were tied. Or he was so pissed he wanted to run everyone's nose in how BAD Bryce was... Because man... 

Everything I heard at the time or remember was yeah Frank knew he wasn’t ready and Tepper insisted. Much friction resulted and of course we know who won that one  

That was a phantom injury week 3 2023 that got Dalton on the field, pretty sure, and that’s what it was about - Frank trying to field an NFL offense.

People were and still are very unfair to him. He may not have been the brightest offensive innovator but he spent his life playing QB in the NFL and coaching them. Even though his head coaching record or chops may not have been A-1, he didn’t just go all idiot in 2023 all of a sudden.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, strato said:

Everything I heard at the time or remember was yeah Frank knew he wasn’t ready and Tepper insisted. Much friction resulted and of course we know who won that one  

That was a phantom injury week 3 2023 that got Dalton on the field, pretty sure, and that’s what it was about - Frank trying to field an NFL offense.

People were and still are very unfair to him. He may not have been the brightest offensive innovator but he spent his life playing QB in the NFL and coaching them. Even though he’s head coaching record or chops may not have been A-1, he didn’t just go all idiot in 2023 all of a sudden.

 

 

 

Wild to think the different direction this franchise goes in if Stroud goes #1 overall. He has had his own struggles but has definitely looked like he belongs and he is far more like what Reich wanted in a QB.

Ah well.

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6 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Wild to think the different direction this franchise goes in if Stroud goes #1 overall. He has had his own struggles but has definitely looked like he belongs and he is far more like what Reich wanted in a QB.

Ah well.

My preference was Wilks and Darnold and whoever we could pick at 9 and 40 or wherever we would have picked. 
Keeping DJ Moore. Talk about different. 
I mean the hang there is we would have kept Fitterer. And who was Wilks pulling in for his staff. 
 

But in the trade was made scenario and the coach was Reich, absolutely CJ was the right pick. He has the NFL throwing toolkit. 

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1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

Pretty hard to feel bad for a guy that was basically groping women near constantly for the better part of two decades.

they “went after Richardson” because he’d torched the inheritance plans for his team and was barely competent anyway. It was easier to clear the way and let someone pay cash than to drag it all out and turn it into another New Orleans situation.

Of course we got stuck with tepper but from the leagues perspective none of his freak poo has come out yet and he’s better at hiding it. 

I am not sympathizing with Jerry Richard I assure you. I do not look back on his time here with any illusions about the man he was.

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On 11/25/2025 at 6:43 PM, strato said:

Said it before, I avoided his articles, interviews, pressers, all of it for a long time because I don’t want it personalized. I mean I knew nothing about him when I ‘scouted’ him and came to the ‘aw hell no’ conclusion in less than an hour. 

But you can’t avoid it forever, and I came to learn that he has great character afa I can tell, is a really good kid, and if he could play I would absolutely be a huge fan. 
 

God gave him everything but that NFL player gift. Sorry Bryce I can’t do it. 

I held out hope that by the end of his 3rd year Bryce would break out and be the quarterback you expect a number one draft pick to be. I was on the fence with him at the start of the season, hoping the light would go off. However, it is not going to happen. Troy Aikman stated while watching the Panther-SF game that it was difficult for Bryce because of his height. A diplomatic tv word salad way of saying Bryce ain’t it. I hope Tepper was listening. If Bryce had the arrogant personality of a Will Levis perhaps Tepper would have already pulled the plug. Bryce is a good person. Having said that, the young man is set for life financially. To delay pulling the plug on him at quarterback any longer than this season is really unfair to him. He needs to be able to move on with the next phase of his life whatever that may be. 

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1 hour ago, Stuart Smith said:

I held out hope that by the end of his 3rd year Bryce would break out and be the quarterback you expect a number one draft pick to be. I was on the fence with him at the start of the season, hoping the light would go off. However, it is not going to happen. Troy Aikman stated while watching the Panther-SF game that it was difficult for Bryce because of his height. A diplomatic tv word salad way of saying Bryce ain’t it. I hope Tepper was listening. If Bryce had the arrogant personality of a Will Levis perhaps Tepper would have already pulled the plug. Bryce is a good person. Having said that, the young man is set for life financially. To delay pulling the plug on him at quarterback any longer than this season is really unfair to him. He needs to be able to move on with the next phase of his life whatever that may be. 

My amateur opinion … It’s that footwork and his overall mechanics that stop him. Short sucks too but his accuracy and timing and velocity, all compromised by his technique. 
Not enough natural arm strength there to overcome it. I am not sure what another year would do if he isn’t fixing that stuff. Or two years. 
If he could have things straight and squared away he could maybe get enough out of his abilities to play consistently week to week. 
He will still be limited by things like field vision and what someone pointed out this week that I had never noticed or considered - trajectory on really short near field throws like goal to go situations. They said the arc he needs to clear the d line guys is such a high angle that it is hard to get the ball back down soon enough.
Which boy, that is a can of touch pass worms there if you think about it. Like shooting a basket where defenders can goal tend. You have to throw it so soft that defenders can close on it. Receivers would have to use their bodies to shield.  
Then you are left with rolling out to see the field and get a lane, which shuts down half the the field and is easier to defend.

It’s really tough. You go looking for negatives, or impediments, they are there to find. 

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