Our Next QB: The Qualifiers

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

someone with a strong enough arm to play football outdoors. 

Bryce Young has 39 NFL starts.  

He has just 7 games indoors.  

In those 7 games, they contain 83% of his starts where he threw for more than 2 TDs (so every game but 1 was indoors) and 53% of his 200+ yard games as a passer. 

Surely the front office knows this.   Jesus that's awful 

[The Lobo]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

someone with a strong enough arm to play football outdoors. 

Bryce Young has 39 NFL starts.  

He has just 7 games indoors.  

In those 7 games, they contain 83% of his starts where he threw for more than 2 TDs (so every game but 1 was indoors) and 53% of his 200+ yard games as a passer. 

Great find on this, rough to see it laid out like that. Now we know why he plays so well against ATL.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Surely the front office knows this.   Jesus that's awful 

as much as I like to bash David Tepper, I am of the belief the QB issue is rooted with the folks Tepper employs to make those actual calls/decisions.   With both his pro teams.  He might want to put the final stamp on things but he is doing it all off the sales job they do on their decisions.  The Bryce folks never left.  Fitterer simply got fired because of the collective mess and embarrassment that went down.  

Morgan went into this season because Morgan (part of the team that brought us Bryce)......still believed.  And orchestrated a shame QB room to keep him safe.  And Morgan refused to trade Bryce and allowed the comeback when the national consensus after Dave benched and moved on from him 2 weeks into his era......was to trade him.  Because that is what teams do when they dump a QB like Bryce in that fashion. 

Nothing we can do about Tepper.   And I think Tepper has reached a point where he is overblamed.   I think the biggest issue on Bryce and why we went into this season with a shame QB room......is Dan Morgan and his team. 

 

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

as much as I like to bash David Tepper, I am of the belief the QB issue is rooted with the folks Tepper employs to make those actual calls/decisions.   With both his pro teams.  He might want to put the final stamp on things but he is doing it all off the sales job they do on their decisions.  The Bryce folks never left.  Fitterer simply got fired because of the collective mess and embarrassment that went down.  

Morgan went into this season because Morgan (part of the team that brought us Bryce)......still believed.  And orchestrated a shame QB room to keep him safe.  And Morgan refused to trade Bryce and allowed the comeback when the national consensus after Dave benched and moved on from him 2 weeks into his era......was to trade him.  Because that is what teams do when they dump a QB like Bryce in that fashion. 

Nothing we can do about Tepper.   And I think Tepper has reached a point where he is overblamed.   I think the biggest issue on Bryce and why we went into this season with a shame QB room......is Dan Morgan and his team. 

 

I suspect we know the direction by mid January 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

as much as I like to bash David Tepper, I am of the belief the QB issue is rooted with the folks Tepper employs to make those actual calls/decisions.   With both his pro teams.  He might want to put the final stamp on things but he is doing it all off the sales job they do on their decisions.  The Bryce folks never left.  Fitterer simply got fired because of the collective mess and embarrassment that went down.  

Morgan went into this season because Morgan (part of the team that brought us Bryce)......still believed.  And orchestrated a shame QB room to keep him safe.  And Morgan refused to trade Bryce and allowed the comeback when the national consensus after Dave benched and moved on from him 2 weeks into his era......was to trade him.  Because that is what teams do when they dump a QB like Bryce in that fashion. 

Nothing we can do about Tepper.   And I think Tepper has reached a point where he is overblamed.   I think the biggest issue on Bryce and why we went into this season with a shame QB room......is Dan Morgan and his team. 

 

I disagree. I think he is not blamed enough.

The one thing ex-players and coaches(across all sports) consistently talk about is how important good ownership is for franchise success.

Of the overall fault, more than 95% lays at Tepper's feet.

These are all the people he selected fuging this all up.

[CanadianCat]

IMO 2027 is the year we draft a QB.

But for 2026 we should bring in a vet or 2 AND Bryce. 

Canales says he wants to promote competition.. let them duke it out. Top 2 make the team. 

I honestly done care who wins, but whoever does is on a short leash. 

 

[mrcompletely11]

11 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

IMO 2027 is the year we draft a QB.

But for 2026 we should bring in a vet or 2 AND Bryce. 

Canales says he wants to promote competition.. let them duke it out. Top 2 make the team. 

I honestly done care who wins, but whoever does is on a short leash. 

 

I think its been said on here 1000x the likely hood of the panthers simply not extending the 5th and letting him play on the 4rth odds are astronomical.  Its just not a viable plan.  You either cut ties, extend him or pick up the 5th

 

If they pick up the 5th then they are committing to 2 more years to Bryce and not only that relying on him to keep their jobs.  Because if they pick up his 5th and its more of the same you damn well can count on Tepper blowing this up again in 2027

[CRA]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I disagree. I think he is not blamed enough.

The one thing ex-players and coaches(across all sports) consistently talk about is how important good ownership is for franchise success.

Of the overall fault, more than 95% lays at Tepper's feet.

These are all the people he selected fuging this all up.

I mean, sure, he has made a mess of the football situation with his hires.   I'm just saying, he is often overused to take the blame of others who ALSO are bad at their jobs.    We see that often.  Not just with Tepper.  I mean, how many people did we scapegoat and try to give all the blame to before we admitted Matt Rhule was bad at his job.  Same for Fitterer. 

Tepper's other pro team has gone to the postseason in back to back years now.  Think they set a MLS record this year too.  And they have barely existed.   Tepper is not crafting the roster and shaping the team.  Others do that for him.  

The QB room is the way it is because of the big picture hires of David Tepper.  But on a practical football level discussion about why we suck at the QB spot and going forward, we got to talk about Dan Morgan.  He is the dude doing the bad job there. 

I'm not trying to deflect any blame from Tepper.  I just can't stand how Dan Morgan gets the pass he gets from some and the narrative......Tepper is calling the QB room, and this weird Morgan mantra that he somehow is silently against everything he part of building (not saying that is you but it exists here) 

I think with a good staff and QB,  no one would care about David Tepper.  I think Tepper has now limited his ability to get the good staff in the front office and sidelines.   In hindsight, the Matt Rhule hire.....might go down as the biggest error in Panther history.  Because it's all a snowball from that bad hire. 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, sure, he has made a mess of the football situation with his hires.   I'm just saying, he is often overused to take the blame of others who ALSO are bad at their jobs.    We see that often.  Not just with Tepper.  I mean, how many people did we scapegoat and try to give all the blame to before we admitted Matt Rhule was bad at his job.  Same for Fitterer. 

Tepper's other pro team has gone to the postseason in back to back years now.  Think they set a MLS record this year too.  And they have barely existed.   Tepper is not crafting the roster and shaping the team.  Others do that for him.  

The QB room is the way it is because of the big picture hires of David Tepper.  But on a practical football level discussion about why we suck at the QB spot and going forward, we got to talk about Dan Morgan.  He is the dude doing the bad job there. 

I'm not trying to deflect any blame from Tepper.  I just can't stand how Dan Morgan gets the pass he gets from some and the narrative......Tepper is calling the QB room, and this weird Morgan mantra that he somehow is silently against everything he part of building (not saying that is you but it exists here) 

I think with a good staff and QB,  no one would care about David Tepper.  I think Tepper has now limited his ability to get the good staff in the front office and sidelines.   In hindsight, the Matt Rhule hire.....might go down as the biggest error in Panther history.  Because it's all a snowball from that bad hire. 

The only Tepper defenders that exist are. the MLS people. I, and basically 90% of the fanbase, would gladly jettison that MLS team to wherever to get rid of Tepper and his terrible ownership which is solely responsible for all our ails. ALL of them.

A good staff isn't possible BECAUSE OF DAVID TEPPER.

You are correct that he isn't an excuse for a bad FO move or a bad coaching move. But he is 100% responsible for all of them because we are 8 years into this mess. There is no one left he isn't solely responsible for and through many different iterations, we keep failing.

We can't even reach a Woody Johnson level of success. 

It has been and it will always be David Tepper's fault. No amount of being happy about getting an MLS team is going to change that.

[MHS831]

Here is my take on why I can't pick good QBs in the draft--it is all about the timing, supporting cast, and system.  If we bring in "damaged goods" like Howell or Levis, for example, give him a running game. IMO, we are solid at RB (assuming Brooks and Entienne step up). Not sure about these guys, but Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Daniel Jones (I wanted us to go after him, fwiw), and Sam Darnold.  If you think about it, that means that 15.6% of the starting QBs in the league are former "busts."  We could find the right player and draft a player and we'd be better off than we are now.   I think we need the following:

• a #2 WR.  I think TMac is solid and Coker is a great slot.  XL can be a situational WR creating a tough coverage matchup (S or nickel), and Horn does what he does. 
• a playmaking, elite TE.  Not only does it give the D another threat.

We also need to break ties with at least one of our overpaid guards.  Frankly, #74, Curhan (27), needs a contract for 2026, but a deal in the $4m range is a lot better than Hunt's $100m for 4 contract. He is 27 and has shown to be a solid RG.

C Mays (26) needs a team-friendly, long-term deal at C, but he needs competition.  He makes about $3m per season--I would say double it for 3 years--something in the $18-$21m range.

The $$$ they were going to spend on young should go to our LT, Ickey.

So this is a rough plan to improve the offense and locking down players at TE, WR, OL, and RB for the next few years.

We need an Alpha.  Remember the '85 Bears?  McMahon was not that good--he had a good defense, great RB, good WRs, a stud OL....and he was an Alpha.  Baker is an Alpha.  We did not have the parts around him.  He sucked and is not succeeding with better support.

Canales knows this--saw it first hand.

 

 

 

[CanadianCat]

4 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think its been said on here 1000x the likely hood of the panthers simply not extending the 5th and letting him play on the 4rth odds are astronomical.  Its just not a viable plan.  You either cut ties, extend him or pick up the 5th

 

If they pick up the 5th then they are committing to 2 more years to Bryce and not only that relying on him to keep their jobs.  Because if they pick up his 5th and its more of the same you damn well can count on Tepper blowing this up again in 2027

Explain this to me. Why wouldnt they just let him play out the contract?

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Explain this to me. Why wouldnt they just let him play out the contract?

It creates a tenuous environment.  Its only happened once to my knowledge 

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Explain this to me. Why wouldnt they just let him play out the contract?

because why would you want 2026 to be a camp battle of Bryce Young vs someone else? 

no team goes out and finds a new starter, and then moves a Bryce Young to backup.  It's locker room dynamics and in house problems.  Bryce literally was brought in to be the franchise QB and is wearing the C patch presently. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

23 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Do we pick up his 5th?

I wouldn't, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they do.