J Person article on Canales and game plan and Rico

[kungfoodude]

16 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I would rather pay him than Hubbard but I still doubt they cough up enough to keep him and Hubbard. If Rico is smart he eill get paid and pick a contender. 

It's not mystery. It's been DC's MO since he became an OC. He wants to pass first and it puts him into a corner when he neglects the running game too much. Add in the Young drama and it just looks worse than his usual. 

I mean, pay em both, IDGAF. IF we plan on continuing to be a power rushing offense. And, maybe actually act like that for once?

All this schizophrenic game planning(or really just piss poor) is infuriating. I get that this team isn't good. Believe me, we all get that. But when you have opportunities to beat teams, do what it takes to win. Not be considerate of people's feelings or worry about being fair or what it looks like to do X, Y or Z. 

Win. The. fuging. Game.

[ThPantherFan]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Well, we built on that momentum alright. LOL

I'm like everyone else........Shhhhhtt

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Sup said:

I hate conspiracy thinking, but I have a hard time rejecting this idea. It's either that or Canales is the stupidest coach the NFL has seen in a long time, and while I don't know if he's a good coach, I don't think he's that stupid. 

Of course, like somebody else suggested he might have gone along with it for the opposite reason, to prove that Bryce can't do it so Canales can have a fair shot next year without him.

Either way, it's pretty clear that Tepper is going to have to have the idea that Bryce sucks pounded in his head a hundred times.

Even if the conspiracy is true, that makes Canales a bad head coach. If you have to simp to the whims of the least knowledgeable person in the entire organization(David Tepper) then what fuging good are you?

How is that a real coach at all?

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, pay em both, IDGAF. IF we plan on continuing to be a power rushing offense. And, maybe actually act like that for once?

All this schizophrenic game planning(or really just piss poor) is infuriating. I get that this team isn't good. Believe me, we all get that. But when you have opportunities to beat teams, do what it takes to win. Not be considerate of people's feelings or worry about being fair or what it looks like to do X, Y or Z. 

Win. The. fuging. Game.

Why? They won't run one let alone both. Normally I would agree but not with this crew and not when looking at the oline cap issue they are walking into in the offseason. They have that man on the cheap and still won't keep leaning on him. Damn waste

[ThPantherFan]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

For all the Bryce apologists, the Canales apologists are almost worse.

I think so.  I'm still agitated over the game.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Then bench him. Or don't make him the centerpiece of the offense(literally from his own mouth) in a very winnable game.

Canales offensive personnel management is absolutely abysmal. We see it over and over. Corbett starting over Mays at C(or starting at C at all), Chuba over Rico for "reasons", Bryce over anyone for "reasons."

It's constant. XL, Coker, Sanders, Horn Jr., Evans, etc, etc.

He is an a below average coach with bottom 2-3 personnel evaluation capabilities.

For a completely washed Dalton with a busted thumb on his throwing hand? Morgan fugged Dave.  Dave might suck.  But he is fugged at the QB spot from the jump this year with nowhere to go.  So going to Dalton doesn't do anything but set Dave up to look bad. 

I mean, Hubbard should of started over Rico to start the season.  I get the switch wasn't flawless but I sort of get that being a little muddy.  Hubbard is probably the actual leader on that O.  That's a tough pull.  

I think Canales is in a really tough spot.  We fug it all up.  The right path was moving on from Bryce after 2 weeks into the Canales era.  They almost had it right.   We should of never gone into this season w/ Bryce it was always going to be a pointless mess.   

I think Dave is in a can't win situation.   Playing to win has a lot of bad in the big picture.  Not hiding Bryce is bad.   He has no real option to bench Bryce.  

 

[Tr3ach]

40 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

This is kind of what I mean. It's the sams parade of excuses Bryce has gotten. They are just +1 years ahead.

This is where basically everyone is going to be about Canales next season.

Most of you guys would be worse than Tepper if you were owners.  He is 2/3rds of the way through his second season and we are half a game behind the division lead and have more wins than we have had in years.   Has Canales done some dumb things?  1000%  he has.  Has he outcoached some coaches that are really good?  Definitely, especially this season.  All young coaches make mistakes and stupid decisions and have to gain experience.  You cant just fire an inexperienced coach every year and a half Tepper wannabes.

[ThPantherFan]

1 hour ago, Gapanthersfan said:

His play calling on Monday would get most coaches fired. Panthers could have won by 2 scores by just doing the obvious. It’s so perplexing that one has no choice but to consider nefarious intentions. He wants to be seen as a play calling savant and I honestly believe that he loathes running the ball successfully. 

Agreed!

[strato]

19 minutes ago, frankw said:

I like Steve Wilks the man. I was not completely against him as the head coach but at the time I saw it as a lateral move at best given that he was and is realistically another version of Ron Rivera. And there was not another Cam Newton walking through the door. I leaned toward us finally hiring an offensive minded head coach again and directing more resources to that side of the ball. We know Reich didn't work and honestly Tepper played a significant role in that. Canales has been better but he just does not command a locker room. All the talk for the cameras is just that. It's a fugazi. He to me does not appear to be the head coach to create a strong culture for the next decade. He's too timid and indecisive.

There is a chance he could still work out if we actually overhaul the QB room but I think our best chance would be to go the route the Seahawks did. They hired a DC from the Ravens and let him create his own staff. In less than 2 full years he's put his stamp on that team. Can we say Dave Canales has put his stamp on this team? What's our identity? Exactly. Bueller???? That's the problem.

I don’t fundamentally disagree about Canales being weak.

Honestly and maybe unfortunately for me, I think he sounds feminine.  Have said so. And don’t think that plays in a super competitive hyper masculine environment such as a football locker room. If he is great at his job people will overlook something like that I think but he isn’t so far.

It is a given that he wasn’t ready for the job experience wise. So you have a strike there. 

But at the root of it he is here because of Bryce Young. No one wanted the job and people say it was Tepper but come on, look at it and tell me that coaches are gonna line up to risk their career when Bryce being locked in as your QB is part of the deal. And he really was the deal with the hiring. 
 

So the only way I think we could come out with a possible upgrade is getting rid of both Canales and Young. 
Maybe a quality coaching candidate becomes more interested when being allowed to pick his QB.  
At the same time, could Canales’ lerformance improve with a real QB? That is a fair question too.  

edit: I forgot the continuity card. I think it is supremely important and I think it is a major contributor to our years of dysfunction under Tepper.

We have some good things going on there and I believe we should be cautious about disrupting it.  

Edited 1 minute ago by strato

[ThPantherFan]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Passing momentum sounds like something Tepper would say during their weekly meetings 

Yess Yesssss!  Tepper.......every one knows my feeling on the Tepper topic.

[electro's horse]

9 minutes ago, Moonraker said:

So far I think the investment has paid off, 

Worst point differential in the league since being hired, doesn’t have full roster control, constant in game dumb moves, terrible roster management for the half he does have.

But hey he can scratch together 50 yard game winning field goals against the worst teams in the league. Gotta give him that. 

[ThPantherFan]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I gotta be honest, this feels like more than just bad coaching. This feels like proving a point. I'm really beginning to wonder if the only way to get Bryce off this team is to prove he can't step up when it matters. No coach can really be this stupid can they?

You may have a good point.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Why? They won't run one let alone both. Normally I would agree but not with this crew and not when looking at the oline cap issue they are walking into in the offseason. They have that man on the cheap and still won't keep leaning on him. Damn waste

Hence the second paragraph. Stop being stupid is my message to the coaching staff.

This poo is not as complex as they seem to want us to believe.