Okay gentlemen, REAL talk...

[Mr. Scot]

22 minutes ago, CRA said:

Teams can win in spite of bad offense.  In spite of bad defense.  In spite of bad ST.  In spite of being weak at corner.  In spite of weak WRs.  In spite of weak QB play. 

like I said, what is taking place is the unique cherry pick where some fans say we can't state the obvious reality about the QB spot.  But look at Atlanta!  But look at these 3 throws in this game he was treated as a backup for every single other snap!  Exceptions don't make the rule or change the big picture.

I have seen lots of your post, I don't recall you rushing to Philly Brown's defense when it was just matter of fact stated Cam Newton won NFL MVP/went to the Super Bowl despite a weak WR cast.  The entire board universally agreed the weak link to that roster was what it was.     I would reckon if I searched hard enough, I could find you making the same matter of statement that teams do in fact win in spite of very clear weaknesses. 

You can try, but it won't actually matter.

Every single team in the NFL has weak spots, even the best teams.

The "weak links" are still (rightly) given credit for their role in big wins, just like the best players on roster aren't exempt from blame for losing efforts...

...because it's a team sport.

Acting like our team profile is somehow worse off isn't realistic for one... very... simple... reason.

We have... a winning record.

Are we gonna try to improve our weak spots? Of course. So is everyone else.

But if you think the people in charge of those decisions look at Bryce the same way you do, I'd say you're in for a very rude awakening.

Edited 1 hour ago by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

True, but those aren't the guys getting the YAC. This was just in reference to that across the league. 

Hell, at least a small portion of our own YAC stats have been contributed by a guy we'd all like to see replaced.

I'll repeat my own broken record statement once again...I'm just not that concerned with stats. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hell, at least a small portion of our own YAC stats have been contributed by a guy we'd all like to see replaced.

I'll repeat my own broken record statement once again...I'm just not that concerned with stats. 

I'm concerned with stats because they can show more than just numbers. They show trends. As an example, if Bryce went 20/25 for 250 yards but 200 of that was YAC, that means he only averaged about 2.5 yards per throw in the air before the receiver. As a defender, that means 2 things. Shitty tackling, and an extreme amount of short passing at or close to the line of scrimmage.

It changes how you can play defense, and offense. It's the reason Bryce was able to complete those 2 passes on 4th down Sunday. Obvious running situation that the defense played based on the likelihood the play would be a run, based off the numbers. DC called the pass play because it was a higher chance of success given what the defense was likely playing. Bigger risk, bigger reward. If it works, you're a genius, if not, well, should have followed the numbers. 

Obviously this is a made up example, but it shows that stats matter, if applied the right way, at the right time. Just looking at a stat sheet doesn't tell the entire story. You have to look at everything. But ignoring stats when trying to analyze any player's performance is just making it harder on yourself. 

[CRA]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You can try, but it won't actually matter.

Every single team in the NFL has weak spots, even the best teams.

The "weak links" are still (rightly) given credit for their role in big wins, just like the best players on roster aren't exempt from blame for losing efforts...

...because it's a team sport.

Acting like our team profile is somehow worse off isn't realistic for one... very... simple... reason.

We have... a winning record.

Are we gonna try to improve our weak spots? Of course. So is everyone else.

But if you think the people in charge of those decisions look at Bryce the same way you do, I'd say you're in for a very rude awakening.

again, I missed everyone here crediting Mike Remmers for helping us get to the Super Bowl.  Bump those kudos for me. 

We are going to improve our weak spots? there are literally people arguing we should pick up Bryce's 5th year and he should be the starter next year.  

I'm not arguing people in Carolina are going to think like me.  The people in Carolina have done idiotic building for years now.  Which I have been very vocal about the entire Tepper era.   I would like for them to stop being stupid.....and this is literally the place you would voice such.   I yearn for a rude awakening.  It's literally what I am lobbying for.  To match a coach/scheme and QB that fit together for the first time in 4 years. 

[ThPantherFan]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

But if you think the people in charge of those decisions look at Bryce the same way you do, I'd say you're in for a very rude awakening.

Mr. Scott, either you are a person working within a football team or you are a genius.  I would bet you are both.  Love reading your posts. 

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'm concerned with stats because they can show more than just numbers. They show trends. As an example, if Bryce went 20/25 for 250 yards but 200 of that was YAC, that means he only averaged about 2.5 yards per throw in the air before the receiver. As a defender, that means 2 things. Shitty tackling, and an extreme amount of short passing at or close to the line of scrimmage.

It changes how you can play defense, and offense. It's the reason Bryce was able to complete those 2 passes on 4th down Sunday. Obvious running situation that the defense played based on the likelihood the play would be a run, based off the numbers. DC called the pass play because it was a higher chance of success given what the defense was likely playing. Bigger risk, bigger reward. If it works, you're a genius, if not, well, should have followed the numbers. 

Obviously this is a made up example, but it shows that stats matter, if applied the right way, at the right time. Just looking at a stat sheet doesn't tell the entire story. You have to look at everything. But ignoring stats when trying to analyze any player's performance is just making it harder on yourself. 

The odds say you are less likely to run for 4 yards against a stacked box. In that situation they are daring you to throw. The odds even dictate you should throw a quick short pass from play action. But the most damaging play to the defense is to hit a receiver over the top in stride if your offensive line gives you enough time. We did it twice. You noticed they didn't crowd the box anymore on the game sealing pass to Coker.

[CRA]

34 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

But if you think the people in charge of those decisions look at Bryce the same way you do, I'd say you're in for a very rude awakening.

I think the worst starting QB in the NFL over the last 3 years is starting today......because the folks with egg all over there face have tripled down on not having the worst pick in NFL history associated w/ their resume. 

yeah, I don't think the folks in charge think like me.  That's not like a thing I suggest.  People didn't like me blasting the Frank/Bryce pairing before that week 1 kicked off.   Our front office gets the simple wrong.  Bryce is a round peg in a square peg org.   We had those talks back when you defended Fitterer lol. 

*on an actual sincere side note, I'm glad you are back and over whatever hurdles came your way...so that we can argue again.  We never see eye to eye and that's an ok thing. 

[CRA]

as the board is inspired by Matt Rhule these days and want to take the 7 year approach with Bryce/Canales....

please note, the best record in the AFC and NFC.....are held by year 1st year coaches paired w/ QBs drafted after Bryce Young. 

[Shotgun]

47 minutes ago, CRA said:

Teams can win in spite of bad offense.  In spite of bad defense.  In spite of bad ST.  In spite of being weak at corner.  In spite of weak WRs.  In spite of weak QB play. 

 

You dont think Rex Grossman was awesome? He went to a super bowl! He completed a pass on 4th down once!

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

You dont think Rex Grossman was awesome? He went to a super bowl! He completed a pass on 4th down once!

Rex Grossman led the Bears to the Super Bowl!   He deserves the same credit for all those wins as that top 5 D, HOF Devin Hester lead special teams and rush attack!    They definitely didn't get there in spite of a QB that had (check notes)....the 43rd best completion % in the NFL that year and top 3 in turnovers. 

you just can't take credit away from Rex like that.  In spite of? Dude had GWDs.  

[ForJimmy]

Found this stat interesting

https://x.com/TacosTweets/status/1995247160942567430

Definitely has some clutch gene in there. 

-Feel free to attack it or highlight it to help it conform to whichever agenda you like.  I'll keep saying it's simply easier to say when he plays good and call out when he plays bad.  

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Found this stat interesting

https://x.com/TacosTweets/status/1995247160942567430

Definitely has some clutch gene in there. 

-Feel free to attack it or highlight it to help it conform to whichever agenda you like.  I'll keep saying it's simply easier to say when he plays good and call out when he plays bad.  

simple math is fine.  Put the bad games in a list.  put the good games in a list.  Anything you want to debate, just throw those games to the side.   Let the good and bad list do the talking.