Icky Contract Extension

[PantherChris]

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Is there any real statistical evidence of this beyond anecdotal things like washed vets signing with the Chiefs or Pats every once in a while?  it doesn't really hold up.  Everyone gets paid in FA.  Everyone gets paid on 2nd contracts.  Its just how it is.  Do you think Icky would make less in FA than he would with a Panther extension?  Is that what's being implied?

Go look at contract structure and come back to me, total dollars is irrelevant bad teams pay more up front and in guaranteed $$$ as well as having to hand out longer contracts.

I'd say if you look at total $$ potential you are correct but if you look at the breakdowns there is definitely a small tax, add into this that bad teams tend to have the most cap space.

[PantherChris]

2 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

 

If we somehow won our division and made the playoffs in 2025, I could understand the reasoning behind picking up the 5th year option on Young. However, I would let him know not to expect any renegotiations until the deal expires (end of 2027).

If Bryce became crazy productive in year 4 and Carolina returned to the playoffs in 2026, I could understand the reasoning behind giving him a new deal prior to 2027. Under no circumstances would I make him the highest paid QB in the NFL. There is no way I'm letting BY get a deal that is going or "reset the market"...unless we win the SUPER BOWL.

If he wants  to "reset the market" you let him play out his final year and acquire or draft a QB prior to the 2027 season with the intent to start that person in 2028. 

 

Honestly at this point he would be looking at back up $ in my book

[SCO96]

4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Icky should get paid. Where it will get interesting is when/if Bryce demands an extension after this year. If he follows the trend of 1st round QBs drafted and immediately starting for their team, and still with them, end of 3rd year is extension time. If Bryce demands his 45-50m per season and Morgan/Tepper pays it, I see Icky starting for someone else and us looking to the draft or FA market for a new LT. 

The above scenario would be a nightmare for Carolina. It's tough having to make decisions on who to keep and who to let go. You have to look at which position can I spend less on and still get similar production. In our case I think it would be the quarterback position.

For most teams with a legitimate franchise QB, that decision would/should be easy. It's hard to replace a guy like Mahomes, Allen, or Stafford in terms of production. Those guys can make any throw and can carry a team on their backs to compensate for the weaker areas of the roster.

However, a starting QB who does not produce at an ELITE level  and needs the team to carry them is easier to replace than solid LT. I'm not giving Young a 45+ million deal prior to his 4th year at the expense of a solid left tackle when the said QB isn't even a top 10 QB in his own CONFERENCE.

[SmokinwithWilly]

16 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

 

If we somehow won our division and made the playoffs in 2025, I could understand the reasoning behind picking up the 5th year option on Young. However, I would let him know not to expect any renegotiations until the deal expires (end of 2027).

If Bryce became crazy productive in year 4 and Carolina returned to the playoffs in 2026, I could understand the reasoning behind giving him a new deal prior to 2027. Under no circumstances would I make him the highest paid QB in the NFL. There is no way I'm letting BY get a deal that is going or "reset the market"...unless we win the SUPER BOWL.

If he wants  to "reset the market" you let him play out his final year and acquire or draft a QB prior to the 2027 season with the intent to start that person in 2028. 

 

Im not disagreeing with your logic and it would be mine as well. We've just seen a lot of stupid things play out when it comes to Bryce and the way he's been handled. I have no idea what big daddy Dave will mandate though. He's not exactly been the best at leaving football decisions to football people. 

[kungfoodude]

38 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

If by bad teams you mean 30-31 teams then alright.  Discounts are very rare and typically only in special cases.  The Panthers aren’t paying a special tax.  Every team faces similar roster construction challenges with rising contract values.

Ring chasing is a real thing, even in the NFL.

[kungfoodude]

37 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

I did say slightly....  and tbh if we can get anther 2 good throws from brycey in each Tampa game along with a healthy Mayes and Hunt... I could see us squeaking out a tampa sweep....  Hunt is one of maybe 3 linemen in the NFL who can block vita vea 1 on 1  our ground game will be very very hard to stop if hes healthy for the last 4 or possibly the playoffs....  (only think stopping it will be Young not being able to take advantage of 10 man boxes)

Hunt is fairly overrated by our fans. Damn good player but we will be fine with Corbett back at OG.

Better than losing Hunt for a large chunk of the offseason.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, TheBigKat said:

People forget the void we had after Jordan Gross…..

I don't