ESPN guys talk Bryce fifth year option

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, cranky said:

Nothing lol. Sorry I stepped away and responded to the wrong post. 

Yeah, I don't want anything to do with that Lawrence contract. Woof.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't think he's being forced. 

If you tell another QB you're being brought in but Bryce is the starter no matter what, Dave is being forced.  Hypothetically, we trade for Howell and in camp he looks like prime Tom Brady. He's riding the pines because Bryce is the starter and that's just the way it's gonna be. Dave's checking out. Why? Because that's not what's best for him or his team. 

If Dave is the one doing the forcing, then that is a symptom of an even bigger problem which is what many of us have been saying, no one knows what the hell Bryce is as a QB. You only lock in your QB when you have to evaluate him at all costs. If we still need to evaluate in year 4, then the QB competition needs to be wide open. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

He still has another year before the 5th year. Bring in a steady vet. Let Andy go. Draft one in 3rd round like Kirk Cousins or Rudolph Wilson was. Hope they hit if Bryce sucks. If that doesn’t work. Draft one in 2 years in the first round. Move on from Bryce. Let the vet or 3rd rounder you got start the year and bring in the 1st round qb when ready. 

Thats your succession plan if Bryce sucks. Worst thing is game manage it for next year and still draft the next one in 1st round the following year. 

I want nothing to do with "Rudolph". Cousins I could see but he's ancient.

Is prefer someone like Sam Howell. Maybe Will Levis but his skill set doesn't fit our current scheme as well as Howell's would.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If you tell another QB you're being brought in but Bryce is the starter no matter what, Dave is being forced.  Hypothetically, we trade for Howell and in camp he looks like prime Tom Brady. He's riding the pines because Bryce is the starter and that's just the way it's gonna be. Dave's checking out. Why? Because that's not what's best for him or his team. 

If Dave is the one doing the forcing, then that is a symptom of an even bigger problem which is what many of us have been saying, no one knows what the hell Bryce is as a QB. You only lock in your QB when you have to evaluate him at all costs. If we still need to evaluate in year 4, then the QB competition needs to be wide open. 

I don't think anyone is forcing Canales to say anything. 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If you tell another QB you're being brought in but Bryce is the starter no matter what, Dave is being forced.  Hypothetically, we trade for Howell and in camp he looks like prime Tom Brady. He's riding the pines because Bryce is the starter and that's just the way it's gonna be. Dave's checking out. Why? Because that's not what's best for him or his team. 

If Dave is the one doing the forcing, then that is a symptom of an even bigger problem which is what many of us have been saying, no one knows what the hell Bryce is as a QB. You only lock in your QB when you have to evaluate him at all costs. If we still need to evaluate in year 4, then the QB competition needs to be wide open. 

Ya'll are making some wild theories up.

[cranky]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

All the Bryce stans have always said we should forget 2023 existed as it's unfair to look at it.   Now you want it just for the sake of showing the jump from practice squad worthy to backup worthy? ok.  noted. 

the reason you compare the starts (12 vs 12) and omit the 2 token garbage time appearances in 2024, those skew the per game averages.   For example, from a per game scenario, it would be logging him as playing a NFL game with -4 pass yards in a game and treating that as a game.  

which is why you look at starts (12 vs 12 games)

2024 - 195 pass yards per game, 20 rush yards per game, 21 TDs, 11 turnovers

2025 - 194 pass yards per game, 10 rush yards per game, 19 TDs, 13 turnovers

which clearly isn't "pretty much improved" in basically any of the primary categories of production.  It's worse in all the big ones.  Yards, scores, and turnovers. 

 

I don't know what you are talking about. All I am comparing are 2024 numbers to 2025 numbers straight from the sheet. Every stat, every game. I am not being selective. 

You posted a select group of stats from 2024 vs 2025. I posted the full stats from 2024 vs 2025. 

Personally I could care less about 2023 at this point. Kirk Cousins had a fanatastic year in 2023 but would you want him today - no you wouldn't. Rating a QB today based upon his performance from almost three years ago is foolish.

[mrcompletely11]

50 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I'd honestly rather be sitting on Bryce with no major future commitment than Lawrence on a franchise QB contract. The former situation gives you options, you're pretty much stuck with the status quo for the foreseeable future in the latter.

if we pick up the 5th we are stuck with BY for 2 more years same as the Jags albeit a pricier one but you can get out in 2 years.  Thats why a swap would work.  Change of scenery for both guys

[mrcompletely11]

44 minutes ago, ThPantherFan said:

I could go for that.

I think any reasonable non bryce stan can see this.  The qb room has to be upgraded massively in the offseason

[mrcompletely11]

34 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The "room"? Yeah, I expect them to hunt for a better backup.

I also expect whoever they sign will be told they are not competing for a starting job. 

I would bet dollars to donuts a guy gets drafter.  No way that doesnt happen

[Castavar]

36 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'd obviously love Howell and we gotta do something to upgrade the QB room even if we do pickup Bryce's 5th year option. We can't go into another season with Bryce and the washed up ghost of what used to be Andy Dalton.

Why Sam Howell hasn't been given another chance to start on a team after putting up decent numbers on a bad commanders team running for his life (most sacked QB in the league in 2023) is beyond me, especially when you have the likes of Geno Smith, Bryce Young, JJ McCarthy, Justin Fields, Tyrod Taylor, Trevor Lawrence, and Tua still being given a chance.

In 2023:

Passing yards (15th)

Completion % (14th)

Total TDs (12th)

YPG (17th)

QBR (24th)

I think Sam Howell would absolutely kill it in Canales' system. Throw a late rounder the Eagles way and go get him. Still only 25 too. Low risk high reward. 

[CRA]

22 minutes ago, cranky said:

I don't know what you are talking about. All I am comparing are 2024 numbers to 2025 numbers straight from the sheet. Every stat, every game. I am not being selective. 

You posted a select group of stats from 2024 vs 2025. I posted the full stats from 2024 vs 2025. 

Personally I could care less about 2023 at this point. Kirk Cousins had a fanatastic year in 2023 but would you want him today - no you wouldn't. Rating a QB today based upon his performance from almost three years ago is foolish.

I mean, I could explain it again.  I didn't post a select group in reality, I compared all 12 starts from this season, to all 12 starts from last season.  That is the legit head to head comparison.  

and when you do that, there is no improvement in his individual production.  It's worse in yards, scores, and turnovers.  So he did not improve if the argument is stats/individual production. 

when you look a the collective number on the year and then look at per game stats shown.....the fact he stepped on a field when benched for 3 plays at the end of a game and had -4 yards yards skews the per game stats.   So you isolate the starts. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

20 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Ya'll are making some wild theories up.

It's not a wild theory. If Bryce is the guaranteed starter next year, regardless of what happens in camp, that's a mandate from either Dan or Tepper. You don't think that if DC or the players see that QB2 is seriously outplaying BY in camp, but BY is still the guaranteed starter, that won't affect things? You can't lead when it's clear you're not the one making the decisions. 

And if Dave is the one forcing BY to be the starter no matter what, it's still and issue because he needs more evaluation. At some point the evaluation has to stop, no more leadership councils, and just do what's best for the team. Let your best players play. How do you think history would have treated Bellichek if he had benched Brady after Bledsoe came back from injury? You have to do what's best for the team as a whole, not just one player. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

5 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Why Sam Howell hasn't been given another chance to start on a team after putting up decent numbers on a bad commanders team running for his life (most sacked QB in the league in 2023) is beyond me, especially when you have the likes of Geno Smith, Bryce Young, JJ McCarthy, Justin Fields, Tyrod Taylor, Trevor Lawrence, and Tua still being given a chance.

In 2023:

Passing yards (15th)

Completion % (14th)

Total TDs (12th)

YPG (17th)

QBR (24th)

I think Sam Howell would absolutely kill it in Canales' system. Throw a late rounder the Eagles way and go get him. Still only 25 too. Low risk high reward. 

I've said the same thing. Give him a chance behind this type of line and he might surprise some people. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But he can't be worse than Dalton, and even if he is, it's not like Andy was winning us any games, or even being competitive. 

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I think his ceiling is higher under Dave Canales

How? Coen has been better than Canales at every step and Lawrence still struggling with a much better supporting cast.