First 4 NFL starts - Tyler Shough

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

reading the room is not your specialty is it?

If you say so

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Has it really come to that? Bryce lovers vs Bryce haters? I don't love him or hate him so what am I? Is there an Independent party?

[mav1234]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I mean...it kinda is

It might not be a "substantial" portion, but we genuinely do have people who are still upset after games we've won because...stats.

Kinda silly in my opinion, but... 

Go ahead and name the posters that expect Bryce to be Mahomes or Cam. It's more his most ardent fans that bring them up.

The reason we "quote stats" is because people insist we want HoF level play, when we just want a consistent, competitive offense, and that relies on decent QB play.

The vast majority of "haters" just hate bad QB play. There are some people that have become far too nitpicky but when we're three seasons in and he's still this inconsistent, I don't entirely blame them.

Anyway I hope Bryce continues to improve.

[frankw]

Everyone has their own way of processing. I personally would prefer to avoid spending the entire bye week recycling the same arguments about Bryce Young. I think we've got all the angles quite well covered at this point.

This is a watershed moment for the team if there ever was one.

Canales Bryce and the Panthers will either bring their A-game and look like a surging playoff team trending upward against the lowly Saints or they will revert to the same old same old and it will be another edition of disappointment which will certainly not bode well for the prospects of sweeping the Bucs.

That result whichever one it will be will dictate the ongoing conversation and hopefully it is the former and we can all begin to rally around the team after so many years of nonsense.

But. If it is indeed the latter then all involved will deserve any and all criticism because they control their own destiny at this moment moreso than they have in a long time which is a pivotal crossroads for our weary fanbase.

Just win

Edited 58 minutes ago by frankw

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

I feel that I'm Bryce neutral and it's definitely both sides.  Threads absolutely get made when he plays bad (rightfully so) and when he plays good.  He is the most controversial player on our team at the most critical position.  Of course threads are going to be made about him after each performance good or bad. I think it depends on what side of the aisle you are own.  You clearly aren't a fan of his so it appears like you are getting spammed with counter threads when he plays well.  Some of the Bryce fans feel the exact opposite I am sure.  It's sports and as fans our opinions will vary.  

There was a time here when you were only allowed to praise our starting quarterback and if you said anything objective or (God forbid) negative you'd automatically be called a...hater. Yeah, I think that was the term

Now we're to the point of you can't say anything positive about our...ummm, quarterback without being labelled a "stan", a homer, or a member of "the Bryce brigade"

Nobody's told me yet whether membership in this has benefits or perks. Doubt I'd join anyway though (not my thing).

Swear, sometimes I wonder if the people to the extremes of a given argument hate the people trying to stay objective more than they do their direct opposites. Sure seems that way sometimes.

Either way, the end result tends to wind up being less actual substantive discussion, more stat spamming and barrages of "he sucks", ".oh yeah, well you suck more!"

Bottom line though, there is an actual real world discussion to be had about Bryce: the good, the bad, what should happen, what will happen, and all the in-betweens.

Maybe we can have that talk at some point down the road. 

Edited 55 minutes ago by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, frankw said:

Everyone has their own way of processing. I personally would prefer to avoid spending the entire bye week recycling the same arguments about Bryce Young. I think we've got all the angles quite well covered at this point.

This is a watershed moment for the team if there ever was one.

Canales Bryce and the Panthers will either bring their A-game and look like a surging playoff team trending upward against the lowly Saints or they will revert to the same old same old and it will be another edition of disappointment which will certainly not bode well for the prospects of sweeping the Bucs.

That result whichever one it will be will dictate the ongoing conversation and hopefully it is the former and we can all begin to rally around the team after so many years of nonsense.

But. If it is indeed the latter then all involved will deserve any and all criticism because they control their own destiny at this moment moreso than they have in a long time which is a pivotal crossroads for our weary fanbase.

Just win

I can sign on to that.

Heck, as a fanbase we've seen so little winning over the last several years, it'd be nice to just enjoy it while it's happening.

Cause if it stops, who knows how long it'll be till we see it again?

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There was a time here when you were only allowed to praise our starting quarterback and if you said anything objective or (God forbid) negative you'd automatically be called a...hater. Yeah, I think that was the term

Now we're to the point of you can't say anything positive about our...ummm, quarterback without being labelled a "stan", a homer, or a member of "the Bryce brigade"

Nobody's told me yet whether membership in this has benefits or perks. Doubt I'd join anyway though (not my thing).

Swear, sometimes I wonder if the people to the extremes of a given argument hate the people trying to stay objective more than they do their direct opposites. Sure seems that way sometimes.

Either way, the end result tends to wind up being less actual substantive discussion, more stat spamming and barrages of "he sucks", ".oh yeah, well you suck more!"

Bottom line though, there is an actual real world discussion to be had about Bryce: the good, the bad, what should happen, what will happen, and all the in-betweens.

Maybe we can have that talk at some point down the road. 

No, I mean the Bryce Brigade is a very select group.  The haters are not coming for Jon Snow because he compliments Bryce’s 4th down throws lol. 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

No, I mean the Bryce Brigade is a very select group.  The haters are not coming for Jon Snow because he compliments Bryce’s 4th down throws lol. 

My thread predicting Bryce would get the fifth year option (again, not even arguing that he should, just predicting he will) is up to 34 pages now. Likewise, the one wherein ESPN guys did the same now stands at 12 pages.

Who do you think is driving those discussions?

(Hint: It ain't the "Bryce Brigade")

There's a thread whose sole purpose was to mention that Bryce was up for Player of the Week honors. What happened there?

Hell, this thread is ostensbly about a guy on another team. How long did it take for someone to bring Bryce into the topic? Was it for positive reasons?

This is the mood right now, and it's why, in the midst of at least a potential playoff push, we're not universally jubilant about our team's successes.

And this coming Sunday, the cycle will start all over again.

[Jon Snow]

3 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

He did have himself a day.  But was that him or our bi-weekly pant shitting appointment?

Probably a little bit of both.

[MasterAwesome]

This dude has led his team to 11 PPG since taking over, which would be an NFL-worst by more than 3 PPG this season. He just put up 3 points at home for his offense against the Falcons two weeks ago. Even Rattler has averaged 5 more PPG this season, and he was benched for how poorly he was leading their offense. Rattler is a second-year 5th round pick with only 14 starts in his NFL career and is younger than Shough, so I think it’s still fair game to compare the two with the exact same supporting cast around them.

Becoming a Shough fanboy is what happens when I guess you just read box scores on ESPN. You can fawn over Completion % and YPG but at the end of the day if a QB isn’t leading his offense to score points, that’s a pretty giant elephant in the room that I can’t just hand-wave.

Is Shough an awful bust? Of course not, his career has barely started, and has a lot of good and a lot of bad like most rookies. But do I think he has been super duper impressive so far? Naw. We should decide as a fanbase if we’re actually serious about wanting better than mediocrity, or if we glaze starting QBs who score 11 PPG. I don’t think those are compatible positions.