First 4 NFL starts - Tyler Shough

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Understood, and lots of rookies at various positions need almost remedial training these days.

There are guys who pick it up within a year or two though.

I think that is the difference between elite guys and JAG's(or worse). The elite guys are better able to make those adjustments quickly.

Certainly, one can argue that development can be hindered by the team/franchise but the cream does fairly consistently seem to keep rising.

[Mr. Scot]

24 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think that is the difference between elite guys and JAG's(or worse). The elite guys are better able to make those adjustments quickly.

Certainly, one can argue that development can be hindered by the team/franchise but the cream does fairly consistently seem to keep rising.

Hence, why smart teams look at player intelligence, maturity, work ethic, character, etc. 

It's reasonable to expect a guy who's a little older to be higher in those areas, but again Father Time is undefeated. 

You've theoretically gotta pick between a guy who may or may not take a little longer to catch on vs a guy who could catch on sooner but also may have a shorter career.

One of about a thousand reasons I'm happy I don't have to make those decisions... 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hence, why smart teams look at player intelligence, maturity, work ethic, character, etc. 

It's reasonable to expect a guy who's a little older to be higher in those areas, but again Father Time is undefeated. 

You've theoretically gotta pick between a guy who may or may not take a little longer to catch on vs a guy who could catch on sooner but also may have a shorter career.

One of about a thousand reasons I'm happy I don't have to make those decisions... 

Eh, even if Shough takes 2-3 years to adjust, you should reasonably expect him to provide at least a decade of solid play IF he pans out. That puts him in his mid-late 30's which is increasingly when a lot of these guys seem to be exiting their useful years.

poo, sign me up for that. 

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Eh, even if Shough takes 2-3 years to adjust, you should reasonably expect him to provide at least a decade of solid play IF he pans out. That puts him in his mid-late 30's which is increasingly when a lot of these guys seem to be exiting their useful years.

poo, sign me up for that. 

I'd sign up for that. Some NFL teams probably would too but others obviously wouldn't or he'd have been drafted higher. 

I don't really know enough about his durability to say how long a career he could have, though.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd sign up for that. Some NFL teams probably would too but others obviously wouldn't or he'd have been drafted higher. 

I don't really know enough about his durability to say how long a career he could have, though.

Yeah, I am not saying I thought he was a strong prospect by any means. I generally didn't think too highly of him(nor this QB class overall).

He has, to date, far exceeded my expectations for him in year 1. 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I am not saying I thought he was a strong prospect by any means. I generally didn't think too highly of him(nor this QB class overall).

He has, to date, far exceeded my expectations for him in year 1. 

I did.  I kinda hoped we'd pick him up. Being Bryce's backup wouldn't have been a bad situation for him (and certainly could have been good for us).

What hurts though is understanding that we didn't so much pick Bryce over him as we did Andy Dalton

[TN05]

Through 6 games this guy is 2-4, averaging 202 yards a game with 7 touchdowns and 7 turnovers. His AY/A (5.91) is worse than Bryce (6.31), as are his yards per completion (10.1 vs 10.2).

He's worse than Bryce in basically every category except for yards (he's averaging 202, Bryce is averaging 195 this year) and completion percentage (65% vs 63%). Oh, and he's losing two-thirds of his games (2-4).

You can't think Bryce is a bad QB and that Shough is good.

Edited December 9, 2025 by TN05

[CRA]

1 hour ago, TN05 said:

Through 6 games this guy is 2-4, averaging 202 yards a game with 7 touchdowns and 7 turnovers. His AY/A (5.91) is worse than Bryce (6.31), as are his yards per completion (10.1 vs 10.2).

He's worse than Bryce in basically every category except for yards (he's averaging 202, Bryce is averaging 195 this year) and completion percentage (65% vs 63%). Oh, and he's losing two-thirds of his games (2-4).
 

he is 2-3 as a starter

in his starts he is 67% at 216 per game.  That's as a freaking rookie on a bad team vs a 3rd year guy with a pretty solid group around him.  

you got to separate out starts vs the pure per game average because a game with like 2 pass attempts and zero yards completely fugs up the per game stats and doesn't give you a good look

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

So, Shough better than Bryce confirmed?

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

he is 2-3 as a starter

in his starts he is 67% at 216 per game.  That's as a freaking rookie on a bad team vs a 3rd year guy with a pretty solid group around him.  

you got to separate out starts vs the pure per game average because a game with like 2 pass attempts and zero yards completely fugs up the per game stats and doesn't give you a good luck. 

Bad team overall perhaps...

...but I'm not so sure I'd put our skill players (other than McMillan) and our MASH unit of an OL over theirs right now.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Bad team overall perhaps...

...but I'm not so sure I'd put our skill players (other than McMillan) and our MASH unit of an OL over theirs right now.

And our RBs are better.  Not sure what cherry picking out our highest paid OL in the NFL isn’t a full strength…..has to do with the Saints kid doing what he is doing though.  Thats just exists on its on.  Good job by a rookie on a weak roster.  We have seen rookies on weak rosters deliver horrific play 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

So, Shough better than Bryce confirmed?

I think higher potential ceiling is pretty much confirmed.

[frankw]

1 hour ago, TN05 said:

Through 6 games this guy is 2-4, averaging 202 yards a game with 7 touchdowns and 7 turnovers. His AY/A (5.91) is worse than Bryce (6.31), as are his yards per completion (10.1 vs 10.2).

He's worse than Bryce in basically every category except for yards (he's averaging 202, Bryce is averaging 195 this year) and completion percentage (65% vs 63%). Oh, and he's losing two-thirds of his games (2-4).

You can't think Bryce is a bad QB and that Shough is good.

I don't see him as being anything special. At the same time. You are basically acknowledging that a QB who is a #1 pick and 42 games deep into his career is barely marginally better than a rookie 7 games into his career whose team was resoundingly mocked for selecting him where they did. Certainly we are going to need substantially better than that from our QB if we want to take the division.

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, frankw said:

I don't see him as being anything special. At the same time. You are basically acknowledging that a QB who is a #1 pick and 42 games deep into his career is barely marginally better than a rookie 7 games into his career whose team was resoundingly mocked for selecting him where they did. Certainly we are going to need substantially better than that from our QB if we want to take the division.

Shough in his starts is more efficient and productive than the #1 overall pick in year 3.  That should be a massive red flag for everyone.

Bryce really needs Shough’s non-starts to lower him down him down 

I don’t think Shough is special.   But it’s a good indicator of the lying we are doing to ourselves in Carolina