Panthers Leaders in Missed Tackles

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Shaq is a small piece on the Bills defense. Here he would have had significantly more responsibility which would have opened more opportunities for him to be exposed in the open field. You guys are hopped up on copium suggesting anything else.

I don’t know what these dumb 4chan sayings mean

Rozeboom sucks. A linebacker on the wrong side of thirty with multiple fake ligaments is not a solution.

if you’re stomping your feet because he’d be a marginal improvement then sure whatever point conceded. 

[frankw]

Just now, electro's horse said:

I don’t know what these dumb 4chan sayings mean

Rozeboom sucks. A linebacker on the wrong side of thirty with multiple fake ligaments is not a solution.

if you’re stomping your feet because he’d be a marginal improvement then sure whatever point conceded. 

Rozeboom and Shaq are irrelevant.

The bigger picture is we have poured an abundance of resources into the offense to the detriment of the defense and our offense can't even outduel a rookie on a rebuilding Saints team.

The only way to correct course defensively is to invest draft capital.

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

You’ve got to get to the ball to miss a tackle and I don’t know how much range Shaw even has anymore. It’s not like the bills defense is r a steaming pile.

like yeah Rozeboom is trash I’ve been shitting on him since day one and I’d like for someone to be on this team that I like.

Shaqs best game this year was Canales and his JO buddy didn’t change their audibles from the previous season  

 

Rozebum has great range but being out of position all the time hasn't been much help. I would rather have kept Shaq in hindsight, knowing that Jewell was not going to work out as a replacement. Now, we couldn't have known that was going to transpire and Shaq was coming off a very serious injury.

Still, it would have been nice to have one competent LB in the mix rather than Dumb & Dumber in Rozebum and Wallace. 

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

41 minutes ago, frankw said:

I like Shaq but I'm not going to delude myself into believing he wouldn't be out there whiffing on tackles too. Is he an upgrade over Rozeboom? Yeah but at 31 he was never going to save this linebacker room.

no way in hell shaq was going to save our defense or is in any future plans because of his age and recent injuries

but he was willing to come back even on a 1 year vet min deal. he would have been the perfect 1 year stop gap until we could find an eventual replacement and also mentor the younger guys

instead we have just rolled with an even worse option in rozebum and hoped for the best

[frankw]

9 minutes ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

no way in hell shaq was going to save our defense or is in any future plans because of his age and recent injuries

but he was willing to come back even on a 1 year vet min deal. he would have been the perfect 1 year stop gap until we could find an eventual replacement and also mentor the younger guys

instead we have just rolled with an even worse option in rozebum and hoped for the best

The overwhelming majority of our roster investments the last few years have been about justifying the Bryce Young trade and selection. All roads lead back to that.

The Panthers have been an up and down franchise but we have not been without success before Tepper came along. And we had always been primarily a defensive team identity wise. We need to get back to what has had them competitive over the years. We need to shore up the defense. And we need to reset at defensive coordinator.

Unfortunately I fear the decision making of our front office remains clouded by their desire to salvage Bryce Young and there is good reason to wonder if they will continue to overcompensate in that aspect instead of moving forward with a methodical approach to making the whole roster more competitive.

Edited 2 hours ago by frankw

[DeAngelo Beason]

Jaycee Horn is one of the best defensive players in the NFL.  Do not use his name and "liability" in the same sentence.  Foolishness.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Jaycee Horn is one of the best defensive players in the NFL.  Do not use his name and "liability" in the same sentence.  Foolishness.

Well he was a liability versus the Saints all season, outlier or not.

[DeAngelo Beason]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well he was a liability versus the Saints all season, outlier or not.

I would agree to an extent.  

[kungfoodude]

Just now, DeAngelo Beason said:

I would agree to an extent.  

This isn't bashing Horn, I just didn't realize he was trending so poorly on the tackling front the past two seasons. I do remember a couple of really bad ones this season but not that many. It might be something you would need to sit down and look at each play. Maybe going for broke on a strip or diving in desperation after getting beaten badly?

It's not something I associate with Horn so it was a surprise to see him being that bad.

[Khaki Lackey]

All our DBs, including Jaycee, would look a lot better if we didn't have the worst pass rush in the league

[DeAngelo Beason]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

This isn't bashing Horn, I just didn't realize he was trending so poorly on the tackling front the past two seasons. I do remember a couple of really bad ones this season but not that many. It might be something you would need to sit down and look at each play. Maybe going for broke on a strip or diving in desperation after getting beaten badly?

It's not something I associate with Horn so it was a surprise to see him being that bad.

I think you're going down the right path.  He's really, really aggressive and it bites him in the arse from time to time.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Khaki Lackey said:

All our DBs, including Jaycee, would look a lot better if we didn't have the worst pass rush in the league

No doubt but that shouldn't have an impact on the missed tackles.

I will say that it is certainly possible that since our LB's and safeties struggle in run support and tackling that perhaps more of these guys are getting back to the CB's than necessary. That's certainly a possibility. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, DeAngelo Beason said:

I think you're going down the right path.  He's really, really aggressive and it bites him in the arse from time to time.

Yeah, that would have to be a real breakdown of tape. I will say his first three years in the league were pretty good on the tackling front, so it was a surprise to see those stats.