shough vs tmac off rookie of the year

[TN05]

I've never seen a guy here try so hard to glaze a rival QB.

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, cranky said:

You keep confusing team stats with QB stats. 

While the TEAM may be 27th in scoring, Young, as I pointed out earlier, is 14th in TD% (TD's as a percentage of total yards throw). So he is pretty efficient at scoring passing TD's. If there is a problem, it might be that they have only scored 8 rushing TDs and Young was one of them. For comparison, the Falcons have 16.

So as you can see, a TEAMS ability to score isn't wholly dependent on the QB and isn't a very good metric to measure them by.

 

Convo isn’t one stat, number or thought.  You keep projecting that. 

The TEAM has something to do with those TDs….because our pass attack is 26th in the NFL.   How do you think we are moving the ball.  Bryce isn’t doing a ton of lifting nor has a great deal on his shoulders in our offense. 

and he clearly isn’t very efficient by the majority of metrics we measure efficiency.  Which gets into why Dave has ramped up his 4th down gambling that was overwhelming going our way but is going to even out in time .

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, TN05 said:

I've never seen a guy here try so hard to glaze a rival QB.

I’ve never seen the leash, excuses rationalization done for such meh QB play in Panthers QB history….to the extent done for Bryce Young.

It’s not glazing Shough.  It’s pointing out Bryce is giving you comparable level of QB play that is dirt cheap in the NFL….and we don’t need to get into a bad spot over that.   Thats a hard pill to swallow….so you see it as Shough glaze 

[Jmac]

I don't understand why this guy plays well against us......two times in a row.

[cranky]

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

Convo isn’t one stat, number or thought.  You keep projecting that. 

The TEAM has something to do with those TDs….because our pass attack is 26th in the NFL.   How do you think we are moving the ball.  Bryce isn’t doing a ton of lifting nor has a great deal on his shoulders in our offense. 

and he clearly isn’t very efficient by the majority of metrics we measure efficiency.  Which gets into why Dave has ramped up his 4th down gambling that was overwhelming going our way but is going to even out in time .

Since Shough started, Young has thrown for 1306 yards and 12 TD's. The Panthers as a team have only rushed for 764 yards, scoring only 4 TD's. Not sure how can you say Young isn't doing a ton of heavy lifting when he alone accounts for 64% of the yardage and 75% of the TD.

I'll give you the fact the Panthers were leaning on the run game early on but since the Green bay game, it has not really been that productive. 

[L-TownCat]

1 hour ago, strato said:

For me he needs to do that this week so it is 16 games.  Otherwise, asterisk. 

As long as he cracks 1k more than once in his career, I’ll take it.  17 games or not.

[MasterAwesome]

35 minutes ago, TN05 said:

I've never seen a guy here try so hard to glaze a rival QB.

It's cute how shy he is about his fandom.  Started his own thread glazing him where he went on for 21 pages with "THIS KID CAN PLAY".  Now all of a sudden Shough is "comparable to Young" lol I guess he thinks Young can play?  Quite the bold take and unexpected plot twist!

"Well I could talk about Sam Darnold or Drake Maye instead!" - yeah you could have, but nope....of all the QBs to fawn over, he got a bad case of that Shough fever 

 

[mav1234]

13 minutes ago, cranky said:

Since Shough started, Young has thrown for 1306 yards and 12 TD's. The Panthers as a team have only rushed for 764 yards, scoring only 4 TD's. Not sure how can you say Young isn't doing a ton of heavy lifting when he alone accounts for 64% of the yardage and 75% of the TD.

I'll give you the fact the Panthers were leaning on the run game early on but since the Green bay game, it has not really been that productive. 

For the Saints, the their passing offense has generated 1565 yards (38 by T. Hill) and their rushing offense only 643 over that span. They have 7 passing TDs by Shough (1 by Hill) and 4 rushing TDs (2 by Shough). So Shough has accounted for 9 of their 12 TDs in that span (%75) and 70% of their total yards. For a rookie that is pretty impressive.

Bryce is definitely contributing, though I think he's also part of why the offense as a whole struggles, given our rushing yards are pretty good, and we've all seen Canales inexplicably stop rushing near the goal line. As of the last 7 games... Panthers run game has been weaker than its height, but 3 consecutive 100 yard games and an average of 130 over the last 3 bodes well.  We had a rough patch there vs the Saints, Falcons, and 49ers, but hopefully it's back on track.

[CRA]

19 minutes ago, cranky said:

Since Shough started, Young has thrown for 1306 yards and 12 TD's. The Panthers as a team have only rushed for 764 yards, scoring only 4 TD's. Not sure how can you say Young isn't doing a ton of heavy lifting when he alone accounts for 64% of the yardage and 75% of the TD.

I'll give you the fact the Panthers were leaning on the run game early on but since the Green bay game, it has not really been that productive. 

The run game is getting more bottled up as teams have fixated on it.  But we have still leaned on the run the majority of those game by modern standards.  It’s just not as productive. 

Shough going for 1664 yards (vs that 1306 with less from his rushers) during that same 7 game stretch (despite Bryce getting his annual insane Atlanta explosion factoring in for him during that stretch which is his anomaly performance on the year). 

I mean, it’s not really debatable the Saints lean more on the pass than the Panthers.  We have a better backfield.  They are down to using their washed TE gadget guy as the lead back due to injury).  

unless things get weird or the game sort of naturally happens….the gameplan is leaning on the run in Carolina.   

[CRA]

12 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

It's cute how shy he is about his fandom.  Started his own thread glazing him where he went on for 21 pages with "THIS KID CAN PLAY".  Now all of a sudden Shough is "comparable to Young" lol I guess he thinks Young can play?  Quite the bold take and unexpected plot twist!

Shough can play….factoring he is a 2nd round rookie thrust into the gig on a bad roster.  

and we are debating him and Bryce Young.  Not Bryce vs Drake Maye.

If that’s not a red flag for you that it’s Shough we are talking.  So be it.  Giant one for me.  Especially given the looming contract. 

holla if you want to know where you can find the stats you are confused about earlier.  Not being a smart ass.  Not just the stats for starts vs season totals.  You can get the specifics on a QB for outdoors, dome, open roof.  Early games, late games, night games.   Vs division.  It’s all broken down.  No math and figuring needed. 

 

[strato]

36 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

As long as he cracks 1k more than once in his career, I’ll take it.  17 games or not.

Sure. Talking being the record holder, I would want it to be done in the same number of games is all. 

[fanpanther]

5 hours ago, cranky said:

I have NEVER seen a Panthers's fan so willing to throw their QB under the bus while singing praises for a division rivals' QB. You should just stop pretending you are a Panthers fan and go over to the Saints board. 

i dont see anything wrong with honest praise he won both the games against thr panthers and with impressive throws.  young never showed thst promise as a rookie.  in his third year they are playing very similiar levels.  hoping young keeps on improving and shough kinda back tracks bc if not saints gonna be much tougher for years to come. 

[cranky]

1 minute ago, fanpanther said:

i dont see anything wrong with honest praise he won both the games against thr panthers and with impressive throws.  young never showed thst promise as a rookie.  in his third year they are playing very similiar levels.  hoping young keeps on improving and shough kinda back tracks bc if not saints gonna be much tougher for years to come. 

I do not have a problem with him highlighting his strong performance and I actually agreed with him in his previous post talking about how good he looks. I just don't understand why he can't just make a comment without having to bash Young in the process.

 

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, cranky said:

I do not have a problem with him highlighting his strong performance and I actually agreed with him in his previous post talking about how good he looks. I just don't understand why he can't just make a comment without having to bash Young in the process.

 

Everything is relative. If Bryce was here in a PJ Walker role to just get us through this season I would sing his praises from the mountain top.  

but this season is almost over…..and important and impactful decisions wil be made.  I’m tired of this team stinking.   And some really random quirky season isn’t enough for me to forget what we are supposed to be striving for in the big picture.  And this O doesn’t project to be on that path.  So from my perspective, wanting to move on is the most pro Panther stance