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Bryce Young NFL NGS Throwing Breakdown '23-'25

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8 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

This game could shift perception a lot.  If Bryce has a great game there's a 0% chance we'll even sign a different backup.  But if he has a bad game, it will color a lot of the off season more than a single bad regular season game.

Odds favor he has a routine Bryce game.  about 180 yards.  Maybe a TD.  Maybe a turnover. 

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7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Weirdly, I think it will be an outlier game. Either really good or really bad.

 

3 minutes ago, travisura said:

If he drops a crazy stat line like he did Atlanta pt.2 this year he'll be here the next 4 years minimum.

Yeah I think this will be a flash point.  Either good or bad.  If he throws for 20 yards in the 1st half going 3 and out constantly they will get boo'd off the field.  Just as much as if he has a great game, he will be crowned for the next 5 years.

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56 minutes ago, cranky said:

I am not saying that at all. My point is you have a relatively new QB with a relatively new HC. The only veteran presence he had was AT and he lost him at the beginning of the season. He also lost Coker. Young is limited by his physical nature but makes up for it by anticipating routes and throwing receivers to a spot. AT was very good at that. Like Young, he isn't gifted physically but he knew how to find the openings and could be at the spot Young anticipated. That is why they were so good together.

I also am not saying AT is better than TMac. TMac is a stud and could wind up being the best receiver the Panthers have ever had. But this is his first year in the NFL and right now he is relying on his physical traits more than experience/knowledge. As he and Young get more experience together, I think you will see his completion % increase and with that you will see Youngs' number improve.

Will they ever improve enough to satisfy those around here who don't like him, I doubt it. But I think they could improve enough to be a viable QB for some NFL team, whether here or someplace else.

And finally, I strongly disagree with him not being dedicated. Not really sure where that comes from.

Let me correct the record after finding this interview. It's actually way, way, WAY worse than that Bryce doesn't work on the footwork problems. It's that he fundamentally just disagrees with anyone trying to correct his process. Wow. 

Let the record stand that I was wrong and I wish I was right.

 

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56 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

But the issue is that Young doesn't anticipate well often enough. He frequently misses those throws or is late on them because he is so fuging off schedule. 

The dedication comes from still having the same issues with awful footwork after three full offseasons and three full seasons. He literally sucks at one of the most basic elements of being a QB. And footwork and mechanics issues plague a LOT of young QB's. But it's rare that they have made so little improvements this deep into their careers, especially when they are the overwhelming bulk of the flaws in the overall player. IMO, that smacks of lack of dedication. As I stated earlier in this thread, he literally said he "stepped away from football" in his first offseason after his rookie year. Does that sound very dedicated? That's not normal high level competitor energy, I can tell you that.

He did well with those anticipation throws when working with AT who was more of a finesse route runner. TMac isn't that yet.

I've watched his footwork and his tendency to "jump" when passing. Yeah, I don't think that will ever change simply because he has to do that. Kurt Warner has an episode on Young against the Bucs and he makes the same critiques you are making concerning his footwork. When I watched his film, what I saw was Bryce "jumping" when he had a defender directly in his face - or at least in close proximity to him. When he was throwing through a gap with a clear line of site, his footwork was fine. I would guess he has developed that trait to overcome his height limitations. Kind of like a survival technic. He had to either learn how to work around the height discrepancies or not play. Getting on his toes give's him a couple of inches. I don't think he will ever have "proper" footwork simply because it does not work at his height.

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1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

But the issue is that Young doesn't anticipate well often enough. He frequently misses those throws or is late on them because he is so fuging off schedule. 

The dedication comes from still having the same issues with awful footwork after three full offseasons and three full seasons. He literally sucks at one of the most basic elements of being a QB. And footwork and mechanics issues plague a LOT of young QB's. But it's rare that they have made so little improvements this deep into their careers, especially when they are the overwhelming bulk of the flaws in the overall player. IMO, that smacks of lack of dedication. As I stated earlier in this thread, he literally said he "stepped away from football" in his first offseason after his rookie year. Does that sound very dedicated? That's not normal high level competitor energy, I can tell you that.

To address your comment on him "stepped away from Football", I can see how it would look like he is not dedicated but that first season was pretty brutal. His HC never wanted him, then he was fired so he had to work with an interim coach as well as listen to the 15 other coaching gurus Tepper brought in that year, on what to do. He didn't have any real receivers to work with and half the fans hated him from the get go simply because he was small. 

That's pretty tough. With his dad being a therapist, I could see him telling Young to simply step away for a bit to get recharged. 

I realize I may be reading "excuses" in but I have a hard time believing that anyone who has played that position at an extremely high level for all their life, didn't do so without some serious dedication to the craft.

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3 minutes ago, cranky said:

To address your comment on him "stepped away from Football", I can see how it would look like he is not dedicated but that first season was pretty brutal. His HC never wanted him, then he was fired so he had to work with an interim coach as well as listen to the 15 other coaching gurus Tepper brought in that year, on what to do. He didn't have any real receivers to work with and half the fans hated him from the get go simply because he was small. 

That's pretty tough. With his dad being a therapist, I could see him telling Young to simply step away for a bit to get recharged. 

I realize I may be reading "excuses" in but I have a hard time believing that anyone who has played that position at an extremely high level for all their life, didn't do so without some serious dedication to the craft.

Yeah, I discarded that theory after seeing that video. It seems he just is unwilling to change what he has always been doing and in his mind works, despite the volumes of evidence that indicates otherwise.

Not that I had any real hope he would turn it around but I genuinely think his NFL window could now be over when he is no longer a Panther. I thought perhaps a couple of years kicking around as a backup but I don't think he is capable of doing that.

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