Dan Morgan open to bringing in younger QB to develop/compete for backup role

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Its all talk right now. Actions speak louder than words. 

This is why I have said that the last straw for me on Dave and Dan will be how they deal with that QB room this offseason. Improve it or I am 100% out and I will be calling for their heads until they finally roll.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

Chambliss in every thing I've seen and read is next up behind Mendoza and Moore (if he declares). I'm not talking rounds, talking next qb picked 

Mendoza could be a generational qb depending on the coach he's paired with. Talk about hitting the qb lottery. From there it's a bunch of day 2 and day 3/ udfas left. Probably more day 3 than day 2 IMO. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

I never understood the whole wait until the next draft class. Always try to improve the room. If Bryce is or isn't the guy is irrelevant. Brady was Bledsoe's backup. Eventually NE traded away Bledsoe, but then drafted, developed and traded away Jimmy G and Cassell for quality picks because they were good enough to start somewhere, which is the entire point of a backup. Being able to start in case of <insert reason>. It's just part of the business in the QB room. Your job is secure until it's not. 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

This is why I have said that the last straw for me on Dave and Dan will be how they deal with that QB room this offseason. Improve it or I am 100% out and I will be calling for their heads until they finally roll.

I'm already out on Canales. But as long as the players are behind im I will tolerate him 1 more season. I love hearing all their contracts are aligned so that indicates there's a plan when this inevitably goes south. 

[rebelrouser]

29 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Who is your second QB in this draft?

Moore.  I am an Ole Miss fan who really loves Chambliss and i watched him every game, but I think he is very raw, comes from an rpo system that doesn't prepare qb's for the nfl, and is only about 6 feet.  He really should have had like four int's in that last game vs. Miami.  I also didn't think Dart was an nfl qb so what do i know.  I would even take Ty Simpson, Nussmeir, and Allar over Chambliss if i were drafting for the Panthers.  

[Jackie Lee]

3 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

Moore.  I am an Ole Miss fan who really loves Chambliss and i watched him every game, but I think he is very raw, comes from an rpo system that doesn't prepare qb's for the nfl, and is only about 6 feet.  He really should have had like four int's in that last game vs. Miami.  I also didn't think Dart was an nfl qb so what do i know.  I would even take Ty Simpson, Nussmeir, and Allar over Chambliss if i were drafting for the Panthers.  

Sounds like it's a good draft to take a qb day 3. One of those will definitely be there and all are an upgrade over Plummer and could probably beat out Dalton at this point

[kungfoodude]

14 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I never understood the whole wait until the next draft class. Always try to improve the room. If Bryce is or isn't the guy is irrelevant. Brady was Bledsoe's backup. Eventually NE traded away Bledsoe, but then drafted, developed and traded away Jimmy G and Cassell for quality picks because they were good enough to start somewhere, which is the entire point of a backup. Being able to start in case of <insert reason>. It's just part of the business in the QB room. Your job is secure until it's not. 

It's the same with the OL group. Why would you not continually churn that group? Worst case scenario, you are moving players because you can't pay everyone.

14 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm already out on Canales. But as long as the players are behind im I will tolerate him 1 more season. I love hearing all their contracts are aligned so that indicates there's a plan when this inevitably goes south. 

I am too, TBH. I guess it's really more Dan Morgan than Dave.

I am nervous that this "alignment" isn't skepticism but belief. I don't think Tepper will make the right decisions the next cycle. I think once again it will be either HC or GM being fired out of cycle and then another merger of the minds with the existing entitites. I am not of the "Oh Tepper has learned!" crowd. I think he has learned to not be such a fug head in front of company and that's about it.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

Moore.  I am an Ole Miss fan who really loves Chambliss and i watched him every game, but I think he is very raw, comes from an rpo system that doesn't prepare qb's for the nfl, and is only about 6 feet.  He really should have had like four int's in that last game vs. Miami.  I also didn't think Dart was an nfl qb so what do i know.  I would even take Ty Simpson, Nussmeir, and Allar over Chambliss if i were drafting for the Panthers.  

It's the Lane Kiffin thing. He is QB poison.

TBH, I think history will prove you correct on Dart.

[electro's horse]

That language gives “hey man this isn’t my call” energy. 

[Jackie Lee]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It's the Lane Kiffin thing. He is QB poison.

TBH, I think history will prove you correct on Dart.

Dart is going to get a new HC and probably a good one in this cycle, if someone can convince him to stop taking these big hits on scrambles he might develop into something. 

[electro's horse]

19 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I never understood the whole wait until the next draft class. Always try to improve the room. 

In this case it’s just people arguing dishonestly to give their boy more time.

if there was a qb worth it, well the panthers can’t afford to draft him 

if the panthers could afford to draft him, then all of a sudden they’d have bigger needs etc

similar to them challenging who’d be an improvement from FA, even though we don’t even know who’s going to be a FA. Also funny since history has shown basically any free agent would be an improvement. 

[Jon Snow]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It's the same with the OL group. Why would you not continually churn that group? Worst case scenario, you are moving players because you can't pay everyone.

I am too, TBH. I guess it's really more Dan Morgan than Dave.

I am nervous that this "alignment" isn't skepticism but belief. I don't think Tepper will make the right decisions the next cycle. I think once again it will be either HC or GM being fired out of cycle and then another merger of the minds with the existing entitites. I am not of the "Oh Tepper has learned!" crowd. I think he has learned to not be such a fug head in front of company and that's about it.

I personally don't believe Tepper has changed that much. The only thing new is his stepping back from the public eyes as much as he can. I guess you could add exhibiting a bit my restraint or should I say patience with this crew. But that will only last so long as a leopard don't change his spots. He will fire everyone if they only win 5 games next season. 

Edited January 14 by Jon Snow

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

Dart is going to get a new HC and probably a good one in this cycle, if someone can convince him to stop taking these big hits on scrambles he might develop into something. 

All indicators are that the Giants are set to make another bad hire at HC. 

I think Dart is just generally kind of stupid. You hear him talk and I really get the sense he is not one of these brainy, analytical QB's. 

Extremely skeptical of him. They probably should have kept him on the bench at least 2-3 years to let him learn the position.

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

Dart is going to get a new HC and probably a good one in this cycle, if someone can convince him to stop taking these big hits on scrambles he might develop into something. 

Ive never seen a qb with his kind of arm talent willfully seek out out not just contact, but head first contact. Like baker will seek out DBs to put his shoulder into. Dart dives like a tackling defender in NFL blitz 98.

He had good coaches in his college career, and Mike Kafka is not a dumb guy. Surely there have been attempts to get him to stop and he’s always just like “yolo bitch”