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[kungfoodude]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

He ended up with a chip percentage of 25% and a dbt rate of 33-34% for the year. Carter was close and had similar rates but slightly lower based on what I saw for near the end of the season. 

Can you post that? I forget who even does that tracking.

[carpanfan96]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Can you post that? I forget who even does that tracking.

Let me see if I can find it. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

This board does both good and bad job at overrating and underrating former players, burns is clear evidence of an underrated player whom most can’t fathom because they’re unable to get over the fact we could have got 2 1st for him( we understand, we all would have did that trade, but we can acknowledge they’d be worthless in the hands of Frtitter right?).

him, Dj Moore and CMC all traded away for nothing impactful, and the little pass rush we had was a large part because of burns, even with the whiffed sacks. Kinda of maddening how we have longer leashes for lesser players 

[Bear Hands]

Burns was atrocious against the run and excellent against the pass. He is a pure liability from a 3-down standpoint. 

That’s always been his problem, do you want to pay the best SPR in the league that much?

Giants had arguably the worst defense in the league this past year, his sack goals only tell so much of the story.

[carpanfan96]

11 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Burns was atrocious against the run and excellent against the pass. He is a pure liability from a 3-down standpoint. 

That’s always been his problem, do you want to pay the best SPR in the league that much?

Giants had arguably the worst defense in the league this past year, his sack goals only tell so much of the story.

ESPN had him at 16% run stop win rate, 11th among edge players.

[TD alt]

8 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

ESPN had him at 16% run stop win rate, 11th among edge players.

Yeah he was ranked relatively high among Edge rushers. Again, it comes back to being put in a better situation to succeed. Being a liability against the run didn't follow him once he changed uniforms. That's just another truth that Huddlers should acknowledge.

[electro's horse]

11 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

ESPN had him at 16% run stop win rate, 11th among edge players.

Burns was really fuging good at playing weak side against the run and chasing down guys from behind to the point you couldnt really run stretch plays away from him

wonder if that plays in to it. Wish we knew how ESPN does their stats but, ya know, /hand waves

[Bear Hands]

12 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

ESPN had him at 16% run stop win rate, 11th among edge players.

I don’t know how ESPN is doing it but the NYG had one of the worst run defenses on record since they started measuring EPA. They allowed .190 EPA per rush and something like 150 rush yards per game. 

When I caught a few games it was obvious he was still a major problem for him. 

It was one of his most productive years no doubt, but he was part of arguably the worst defensive line in the league.

PFF had him at his lowest rush d mark in his career too.

[DeAngelo Beason]

While we didn't get the compensation we should have for Burns, it's delusional to act like he was a force when he played for us.  He had double digit sacks ONCE as a Panther.  Getting rid of him was the right decision.  Hell, in 2024 he put up another lackluster season for the Giants.  He's been a "great" player for one season.  2025.  That's it.  

[carpanfan96]

1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

Burns was really fuging good at playing weak side against the run and chasing down guys from behind to the point you couldnt really run stretch plays away from him

wonder if that plays in to it. Wish we knew how ESPN does their stats but, ya know, /hand waves

It might, he had 42 stops on the year. So that probably plays a part in it for sure. 

[carpanfan96]

22 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I don’t know how ESPN is doing it but the NYG had one of the worst run defenses on record since they started measuring EPA. They allowed .190 EPA per rush and something like 150 rush yards per game. 

When I caught a few games it was obvious he was still a major problem for him. 

It was one of his most productive years no doubt, but he was part of arguably the worst defensive line in the league.

PFF had him at his lowest rush d mark in his career too.

That defensive line is fine, they don't have the players behind them at LB to be really really good against the run. 

 

Pff also have his stats wrong, they gave him less sacks, less pressures and less QB hits than any other service or what the NFL officially gave Burns. 

[TD alt]

30 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

While we didn't get the compensation we should have for Burns, it's delusional to act like he was a force when he played for us.  He had double digit sacks ONCE as a Panther.  Getting rid of him was the right decision.  Hell, in 2024 he put up another lackluster season for the Giants.  He's been a "great" player for one season.  2025.  That's it.  

Burns objectively improved in 2024. Stats aren't the only litmus test, though important. I don't think anyone is saying he was all-world while with us, but he was good and ascending, and arguably not even in his prime (and I think that's the main point as far as some are concerned). Now, he is squarely in his prime. 

 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Bear Hands said:

I don’t know how ESPN is doing it but the NYG had one of the worst run defenses on record since they started measuring EPA. They allowed .190 EPA per rush and something like 150 rush yards per game. 

When I caught a few games it was obvious he was still a major problem for him. 

It was one of his most productive years no doubt, but he was part of arguably the worst defensive line in the league.

PFF had him at his lowest rush d mark in his career too.

The Win Rate for either side is being able to get off or hold a block for at least 2.5 seconds. It's better data for OL than DL, IMO. It's a good peek at how quickly guys shed or hold blocks but not necessarily a complete picture on effectiveness. It's a tool that is best used with other metrics, measures.

[onmyown]

The best outcomes were

 

1. trade for the firsts

2. sign Burns

but our franchise chose

3. turn down first trade for peanuts, fire the person who was the voice of reason, promote the person who did not want option 1 or 2

successful franchises don’t do poo like this