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Post senior bowl PFF mock draft


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10 hours ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

 My general sense is that it's a weak class?There aren't any blue chip prospects or generational talents it seems like. 

There are still gonna be 5-10 threads by November about why Morgan is so stupid and didnt draft X person.  Guys are gonna break through.  They always do.

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10 hours ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

I'm usually a nerd when it comes to the draft, however I haven't paid any attention to this year's draft class. My general sense is that it's a weak class? There aren't any blue chip prospects or generational talents it seems like. 

me too, Ive only just drove in and Im did not follow college ball hardcore. Im a current normie. *after a couple hours of digging, it does feel weak after the second round compared to other recent ones. Only good part thus far, I think Panthers will have a shot at drafting a LT in either round 1 or 2. If you want a edge, you better either pray one falls to 19 or trade up. Using the panthers 3rd they can get in front of TB at pick 13/14. I don't think its worth it tho. 

Just feels like, yea BPA and all that*****BUT the draft value is following-

1- edge

2- LT

3- ILB

4- TE

5- C

5- S

6- BPA/QB/LB/WR/NB/punter

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46 minutes ago, Basbear said:

You talking about LT Overton? You want back2back OT picks?!?!?! Overton is one of those that can play a few spots along the line, that's a evero piece to move around. He can play edge, 5/3 tech about anything not nose. 

I've found if you pass on edge in the 1st, its near empty 2-7. Still its impossible Francis is there. same goes for third round and forth. Other are upside all-ins, finerererererererer would be proud.....

My bad. Brain fart.  Agree if we get Mauigoa at 19 (we won't though) we should go D. Meant someone at LB at that point.  I agree that not getting an Edge early means we aren't improving much by taking one 3 or later.  

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I generally disagree with the concept of picking a position because of value early in the draft. For instance, if there's a really good safety, RB or ILB at pick 10, I'm choosing him over a project WR or DE. Better players make the team better. A bunch of ok players will give you an ok team. The number 1 goal of the draft should be to improve the overall talent on the team. Not to fill positions of need. 

Deciding beforehand that you're picking a LT in the first or second round because Ickey went down is not the way to improve the team. Now if Dan has similar grades on 2 or 3 players and one happens to be a LT, then yeah go for it. But don't pass on your guy at ILB because you have a gap at LT or need to improve the pass rush with a DE. When those guys don't pan out then you haven't improved your team. But that LB could have been a franchise cornerstone for years to come. See Luke Kuechly and Christian McCaffrey. 

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11 hours ago, Navy_football said:

I generally disagree with the concept of picking a position because of value early in the draft. For instance, if there's a really good safety, RB or ILB at pick 10, I'm choosing him over a project WR or DE. Better players make the team better. A bunch of ok players will give you an ok team. The number 1 goal of the draft should be to improve the overall talent on the team. Not to fill positions of need. 

Deciding beforehand that you're picking a LT in the first or second round because Ickey went down is not the way to improve the team. Now if Dan has similar grades on 2 or 3 players and one happens to be a LT, then yeah go for it. But don't pass on your guy at ILB because you have a gap at LT or need to improve the pass rush with a DE. When those guys don't pan out then you haven't improved your team. But that LB could have been a franchise cornerstone for years to come. See Luke Kuechly and Christian McCaffrey. 

 

Its simple my friend, limited numbers and if you want one?  Use the early picks on before they are all gone. I just feel most of the people who disagree with "value" know why value has value. Panthers, if we are being honest needs are around 48. Hunt, dbrown, lewis, tmac, and maybe morheing(sp), that's about the only players I feel the Panthers can not or should try to upgrade. Just elite players at HIGH value difference making spots, they go in the first 50 or so picks. (always some 6th round exceptions)

You can have the best safety, punter, and fullback in the NFL, that's doesn't win games. QB, EDge, LT, WR, CB win games. Using a 1st on ILB or safety for %s is a terrible move, unless you already have elite QB, LT, edge, etc etc. You know this. 

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1 hour ago, Basbear said:

 

Its simple my friend, limited numbers and if you want one?  Use the early picks on before they are all gone. I just feel most of the people who disagree with "value" know why value has value. Panthers, if we are being honest needs are around 48. Hunt, dbrown, lewis, tmac, and maybe morheing(sp), that's about the only players I feel the Panthers can not or should try to upgrade. Just elite players at HIGH value difference making spots, they go in the first 50 or so picks. (always some 6th round exceptions)

You can have the best safety, punter, and fullback in the NFL, that's doesn't win games. QB, EDge, LT, WR, CB win games. Using a 1st on ILB or safety for %s is a terrible move, unless you already have elite QB, LT, edge, etc etc. You know this. 

Yeah I 100% agree that fullbacks and special teams players don't count.

But would you rather have XL, Bryce or Ickey over Kuechley, CMC or a Kyle Hamilton? Marginal players at "high value" positions don't move the needle like exceptional players at "lower value" positions. Plays are needed at every level on offense and defense. Particularly in the NFL, where the margin of error is so small. Winning or losing usually comes down to a few plays. You need guys that'll make them. Not a bunch of guys that are just keeping their heads above water.

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