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I think everyone in here is looking for somebody to eventually replace Bryce. I am looking for a 4th and 1 QB sneak type guy to hold the clip board. Not being Able to get short yardage was a huge flaw last season a struggle to get without some trickery because we can't run the most basic concept because of our QBs size. This is the answer to that. If u can get him from rounds 4-7 I think it's a win and adds to your win totals most likely.

Not just some corral who would never take a snap. This is something so simple he could do day 1. Anything you get out of him developmentally is a positive but I'm not expecting him to be Bryce answer anymore than we should have expected 38 year old Andy Dalton to be.

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3 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I think everyone in here is looking for somebody to eventually replace Bryce. I am looking for a 4th and 1 QB sneak type guy to hold the clip board. Not being Able to get short yardage was a huge flaw last season a struggle to get without some trickery because we can't run the most basic concept because of our QBs size. This is the answer to that. If u can get him from rounds 4-7 I think it's a win and adds to your win totals most likely.

Not just some corral who would never take a snap. This is something so simple he could do day 1. Anything you get out of him developmentally is a positive but I'm not expecting him to be Bryce answer anymore than we should have expected 38 year old Andy Dalton to be.

You can get that from someone already on the team. You can use anyone for a qb sneak and on 4th and 1. You don't draft someone specifically for that. Use a TE or RB, hell even an olinemen. You telegraph it either way because you change out players. 

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The fact that people want us to use a draft pick on a guy solely for the purpose of having them QB sneak on 4th and 1 explains why our team has been void of talent via the draft the past decade...

You can literally find just about any QB off the streets to do that job.

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18 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

The fact that people want us to use a draft pick on a guy solely for the purpose of having them QB sneak on 4th and 1 explains why our team has been void of talent via the draft the past decade...

You can literally find just about any QB off the streets to do that job.

Twist that a little and you get to investing so much in a QB that you are afraid to even call one with, explains it. 

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45 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You can get that from someone already on the team. You can use anyone for a qb sneak and on 4th and 1. You don't draft someone specifically for that. Use a TE or RB, hell even an olinemen. You telegraph it either way because you change out players. 

None of those players offer Greens arm talent or 4.3 speed. Let's be honest CMC ran a 4.48. god doesn't make many 6'6 230 humans that run a 4.3 and have a rocket arm. His floor is QB sneaks and gadget plays. The legs but him roster time to develop. You telling me I can get that not using a premium pick from runs 4-7 I say why the hell not?

Your saying you don't draft a player like that because you can find that somewhere else I'm telling you there isn't a single player in the NFL right now that is that big and that fast period. Name some at any position that is 6'6 and runs a 4.3? 

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25 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

The fact that people want us to use a draft pick on a guy solely for the purpose of having them QB sneak on 4th and 1 explains why our team has been void of talent via the draft the past decade...

You can literally find just about any QB off the streets to do that job.

And conservatives like you is why we didn't have a guy to do that last year because your afraid to invest a pick 4-7 which isn't even guaranteed to make the roster on long term talent. Those picks are lottery picks where your suppose to swing on talent. Nobody is expecting a 5th rounder to start maybe not even contribute day 1. But in this specific case he would help day 1 this is really a dumb argument to have.

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4 hours ago, Panthero said:

I like the idea of a 4th and 1 guy, he also would mean wed have a qb for when we want to throw a pass over 25 yards.

Thank you.. I don't see why this is such a outrageous idea.. it's not like your wasting a round 1-3 pick on the guy. 

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9 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

None of those players offer Greens arm talent or 4.3 speed. Let's be honest CMC ran a 4.48. god doesn't make many 6'6 230 humans that run a 4.3 and have a rocket arm. His floor is QB sneaks and gadget plays. The legs but him roster time to develop. You telling me I can get that not using a premium pick from runs 4-7 I say why the hell not?

Your saying you don't draft a player like that because you can find that somewhere else I'm telling you there isn't a single player in the NFL right now that is that big and that fast period. Name some at any position that is 6'6 and runs a 4.3? 

The guy has been a starting QB in college for 4 years and has looked awful for all 4 of those years. At least somebody like AR was younger and more of an unknown because he started so few games, so it was a little more unclear of whether he could be developed.

I think it's safe to say Green won't develop into a starting QB (and probably not even a good backup QB). With the scrambling ability the dude has (because of his athleticism), I don't think I have seen a QB look as bad as he does throwing the ball when he breaks out of the pocket. Now, if you are drafting him in hopes of making him a slot TE or a WR, then maybe I get drafting him.

But no, I would rather draft a depth offensive lineman or defensive lineman, safety, or something else that serves us more of a purpose than a QB whose only purpose is scrambling and QB sneaks. It also doesn't help he does not fit our scheme at all of quick passes and pre-snap reads

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1 minute ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

The guy has been a starting QB in college for 4 years and has looked awful for all 4 of those years. At least somebody like AR was younger and more of an unknown because he started so few games, so it was a little more unclear of whether he could be developed.

I think it's safe to say Green won't develop into a starting QB (and probably not even a good backup QB). With the scrambling ability the dude has (because of his athleticism), I don't think I have seen a QB look as bad as he does throwing the ball when he breaks out of the pocket. Now, if you are drafting him in hopes of making him a slot TE or a WR, then maybe I get drafting him.

But no, I would rather draft a depth offensive lineman or defensive lineman, safety, or something else that serves us more of a purpose than a QB whose only purpose is scrambling and QB sneaks. It also doesn't help he does not fit our scheme at all of quick passes and pre-snap reads

I think it would be cool to have someone with that skill set on the roster so Dave can work with him.  Having said that he is a terrible qb and the earliest I would draft him would may be the 6th.  Def 7th but no way I would go higher

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It is a dumb argument I’ll give you that. Drafting a guy primarily  because he can do what should be the job of your starting QB is not efficient use of your resources. 

If you draft a guy to develop as a QB you do it because you think you can develop him into a QB. 

If you want to run him in to take up Bryce’s slack then you have that option. 
 

as far as conservatives (?) not willing to gamble a later pick? Well the answer there is look at the roster prior to the 2025 draft. Holes like Swiss cheese. 
Every guy we took contributed and many of them significantly. You get the floor of the 21 guys who aren’t QB raised to the point you can’t immediately replace one of them with a 4th or 5th round rookie, then feel free to be a little looser with some of these later picks. 
We still are not there. Maybe next year. 
 

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1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

None of those players offer Greens arm talent or 4.3 speed. Let's be honest CMC ran a 4.48. god doesn't make many 6'6 230 humans that run a 4.3 and have a rocket arm. His floor is QB sneaks and gadget plays. The legs but him roster time to develop. You telling me I can get that not using a premium pick from runs 4-7 I say why the hell not?

Your saying you don't draft a player like that because you can find that somewhere else I'm telling you there isn't a single player in the NFL right now that is that big and that fast period. Name some at any position that is 6'6 and runs a 4.3? 

You’ve fallen in love with an athletic player. He’s not a good qb and that’s what you draft him for. 

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