BREAKING: Panthers sign QB Kenny Pickett

[WUnderhill]

11 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I guess a better question would be, if Jacoby Brisset was available and willing to sign here for the same amount as KP, do you think the Panthers would have signed him?

3366/23/8  94.1 QB rating in 25'.

I don't, judging by the way the leadership has acted. Nothing they do says we're trying to get better. It all says we're trying to keep Bryce from feeling pressured.

That's what I see and therein lies my problem. 

Idk on Brissett, I think part of the motivation of the FO is to get younger (relative to Dalton) and try to take a shot on a guy that had talent and could possibly still develop, which is why they didn’t go the route of a Mariota or whoever. It’s just they went with Kenny Pickett which I think a lot of people don’t think he will develop which I tend to agree with, but the motivation I think is there, it’s just a difference of opinion. And to be fair the whole league seems to value Pickett over Howell, Lance, etc. Pickett was last traded for a 5th rd. pick, Howell was last traded for something less than a 5th round pick (Eagles sent a 5th but also got a 6th back), and Lances last contract was just $2m.

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

Not even close to the level of Howell..

People have been fluffing Howell here for years.

Pickett was hyped up around here for one offseason and a day.

Nobody is fluffing howell.  Simply saying Pickett has literally the worst skill set of all FA qbs.  Picking him just shows they dont want anyone in camp to outshine baby bryce.  Its as simple as that

[mav1234]

34 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Nobody is fluffing howell.  Simply saying Pickett has literally the worst skill set of all FA qbs.  Picking him just shows they dont want anyone in camp to outshine baby bryce.  Its as simple as that

ehhh plenty of people are fluffing Howell, including you. The idea Howell would come in and outshine anyone is hilarious, he hasn't done that in any of his stops the last couple years, why would he here? I don't think Pickett is starting material either, but Howell is not, either.  I wouldn't have really cared if we'd gotten Howell because to me it is basically the same tier of player as Pickett.

The goal with our new backup was clearly to get younger, someone that had the same mobility as Bryce.  Hopefully we actually pick up someone with potential in the draft.

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

ehhh plenty of people are fluffing Howell, including you. The idea Howell would come in and outshine anyone is hilarious, he hasn't done that in any of his stops the last couple years, why would he here? I don't think Pickett is starting material either, but Howell is not, either.  I wouldn't have really cared if we'd gotten Howell because to me it is basically the same tier of player as Pickett.

The goal with our new backup was clearly to get younger, someone that had the same mobility as Bryce.  Hopefully we actually pick up someone with potential in the draft.

If howell and pickett are in the same tier why not go with the cheaper, more athletic guy who has the better arm?

[ForJimmy]

I'm not a fan of Pickett but why are we saying he has a "noodle arm?"  He has small hands no doubt but he arm was always average to me.  His velocity is clocked in the mid 50s.  Nothing elite but not a weakness either.  Nothing to really be excited about but he is a younger upgrade at the backup position.  I'd still like to draft one to develop though.  

 

[mav1234]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If howell and pickett are in the same tier why not go with the cheaper, more athletic guy who has the better arm?

Pickett is pretty athletic and has had some impressive scrambles. Howell has a stronger arm but worse decision-making ability, and has struggled to even make a role for himself as a backup (including on teams Pickett did). There is likely more happening behind the scenes in terms of their decision (wouldn't be surprised if our SEA connections mean that our guys know something about Howell), and Pickett's contract is hardly back-breaking.

[cranky]

This is some of the silliest stuff I have seen here in a while. 

Carolina had a great draft last season and is having one of the best off-seasons in years. In just 10 short months, they have almost completely rebuilt the roster going from a bunch of JAGs to a having a OROY, 2 Pro Bowl caliber players in Phillips and Lloyd, great young players with tons of potential in Scourton, Umanmielen, Evans, Horn JR, etc., and all some of you can talk about is how signing a backup player to a 4M contract makes you question how well the FO is doing. That's just crazy.

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

57 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Brother, you said it’s not even a question that Sam Howell would come in and legitimately compete with Bryce right away when he couldn’t even beat out Tanner McKee last year. Kenny Pickett was ahead of McKee on the depth chart when he was with the Eagles, but Howell couldn’t do the same. I don’t even like Pickett, it’s just this raging about coddling and not bringing in competition when the examples of the competition given are arguably worse. And if it’s possible the FO thinks Pickett is a better QB than Howell, doesn’t that mean they ARE serious about upgrading the QB room? I’m seriously not trying to defend Pickett here, I would prefer Howell for less money, I just don’t get the conclusions that are being jumped to.

 

12 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Howell's only true starting season he was sacked 65 times, put up almost 4k yards, ran for 250 and 5 tds while throwing for 21/21. Lot of ints but he was also being asked to do a lot with lots of pressure and no RB help. 

I don't think it's even questionable to think he could come in and legitimately compete with Bryce right away. 

 

I said could, not would. I recognize he has potential based on past performance. Compared to what KP has done, Howell has more potential and the physical traits to make noise. KP has small hands and a weak arm. Not something you want in even your backup QB. 

I've been hammering since last off-season before we re-signed Dalton, improve the room. Other than getting younger, I don't see how anyone can say we legitimately improved the room or even tried. We might as well have signed Josh Rosen. 

Dalton is still on the roster for now. That's 3 QBs unless we trade or cut him. He's still Bryce's mentor after all. Do you believe we are going to draft someone with potential and give them a legitimate opportunity to develop from the practice squad? Are we going to carry 3 QBs on the active roster? 4 for a developmental rookie? Are we going to potentially cut KP if we draft a rookie and he's outperformed? Doubtful. Cutting Dalton(if we can't trade him) and KP would be 8m in wasted cap space. 

I chose Howell as an example because he showed promise in his only full season as a starter. You could plug in another name with the physical traits and potential and what i said would still apply. KP showed almost nothing and was benched. I genuinely don't care if it’s rookie pick as long as there is the potential to develop into a future NFL QB. 

As much as I can't stand him, Bellichek was always developing a number 2 QB even with the GOAT as his starter. The wisdom of that was evident when Cassell came in when Brady was hurt week 1 and went 11-5 and almost made the wildcard, which 11-5 gets you almost any other year. I give credit where it's due though. Cassel and Jimmy G both came into the league as developmental QBs, potential QB1s, and went on to have careers. 

You never know if you never try. KP feels like a punt in addressing the most important position on the field. Bryce has never played 2 full games of franchise QB level football back to back. 

If Bryce progresses, are you ready to offer a 280m 5 year extension based off a one hit wonder year? If Bryce regresses and we need a QB in 27, are we going to trade a fortune away again to trade up to 1 to get one? Are you ready to do the past 3 years all over again? 

To me, it's not about Kenny Pickett. It's about the move itself. It was a feeble attempt to improve the QB room. We better hope Bryce succeeds, because if he doesn't, we literally have no backup plan right now. 

 

[poorboysrev]

8 minutes ago, cranky said:

This is some of the silliest stuff I have seen here in a while. 

Carolina had a great draft last season and is having one of the best off-seasons in years. In just 10 short months, they have almost completely rebuilt the roster going from a bunch of JAGs to a having a OROY, 2 Pro Bowl caliber players in Phillips and Lloyd, great young players with tons of potential in Scourton, Umanmielen, Evans, Horn JR, etc., and all some of you can talk about is how signing a backup player to a 4M contract makes you question how well the FO is doing. That's just crazy.

 

Right...I think they've done really well. No one's going to bat 1000% but they've addressed areas of need and there's no comparison to the overall talent of the team now than when DC and then Morgan got the reigns. This whole season is about seeing how much of a step up can Bryce and this team make. If Bryce can't and last year is as good as it gets for him then at least we have a talented roster for the next guy. I think we're going to be good this season 

[mav1234]

9 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I chose Howell as an example because he showed promise in his only full season as a starter. You could plug in another name with the physical traits and potential and what i said would still apply. KP showed almost nothing and was benched. I genuinely don't care if it’s rookie pick as long as there is the potential to develop into a future NFL QB. 

If Howell had such potential, he would have shown it after that season - but he has failed to. KP and Howell both had their team that drafted them move on from them, so I find that a wash. In opportunities since their first team, KP has looked like a backup, while Howell has failed to move up the depth chart and looked real bad in his only extended experience, so this fixation on Howell by this board is a clear reflection of his university and not his play in the NFL. Howell is not a guy that has potential that could develop into a future NFL QB, at least it doesn't look like it.

The reality was we were never going to get a QB that could really push Bryce in any way in FA. Still, I'm hopeful the draft will bring us some potential in the QB room, because given our backup budget, we weren't going to be finding it in FA.

[TimeTravelerTep]

17 hours ago, ClawOn said:

I personally love it when the Huddle yells at clouds. 

Honestly I was like "meh whatever" when I saw it, but then I saw the reactions of the weirdos on this site and now wonder if it was a solid move. You have no idea how low IQ the takes are for the users who spend 12 hours a day surveying a Carolina Panthers forum (that should tell you everything). I'm on page 4 and tryout already had two people saying Dan Morgan is getting fired when the rest of the league is looking at him being one of the top GM's in the league. And another guy saying "you arent posting what we are posting so you should stop posting.) Seriously, just ban that guy. He is worthless. These are the same people telling you to stop posting because you said they should stick with Sam Darnold for a couple of years to see what he can do while building up the rest of the team.

They are dumb...really really dumb. Especially the guy who said stop posting. I also thought this signing was nothing, but you have no idea just how bad their takes are on here. Its probably going to work out well somehow. So guys, is Dan Morgan gone before the end of the year ? I'll be back in another 3 months to laugh at them again

 

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

46 minutes ago, TimeTravelerTep said:

Honestly I was like "meh whatever" when I saw it, but then I saw the reactions of the weirdos on this site and now wonder if it was a solid move. You have no idea how low IQ the takes are for the users who spend 12 hours a day surveying a Carolina Panthers forum (that should tell you everything). I'm on page 4 and tryout already had two people saying Dan Morgan is getting fired when the rest of the league is looking at him being one of the top GM's in the league. And another guy saying "you arent posting what we are posting so you should stop posting.) Seriously, just ban that guy. He is worthless. These are the same people telling you to stop posting because you said they should stick with Sam Darnold for a couple of years to see what he can do while building up the rest of the team.

They are dumb...really really dumb. Especially the guy who said stop posting. I also thought this signing was nothing, but you have no idea just how bad their takes are on here. Its probably going to work out well somehow. So guys, is Dan Morgan gone before the end of the year ? I'll be back in another 3 months to laugh at them again

 

 

I looked and couldn't find anything from front office and NFL execs crowning Morgan as one of the top GMs in the league. The only thing I could find was a player's grade "leaked" from the NFLPA. What's your source?