Which side of the ball needs more help?

[strato]

Bryce is better than Darnold between the ears? Really? I would love to see Young go into a new team with a new system and go straight to the Super Bowl. 
 

He is nowhere near as developed as Darnold is. He has only seen two very similar systems. He has quite a ways to go to catch up to what Darnold has been exposed to and had to absorb. 
 

Not to mention that Darnold is bigger, stronger, taller with better field vision and an arm that can attack a defense pretty much anywhere on the field. 
 

That is my opinion of course. 

Edited 5 hours ago by strato

[Jon Snow]

Both.

[jfra78]

I think as long as BY9 is QB our offense will be lackluster.  Our defense can make up for this by being dominate.  Plus as a Panther fan who is used to having stellar defenses, the product we have put out there the pas decade makes me sick

[Bear Hands]

3 hours ago, Growl said:

The defense probably needs more help because it has a couple spots which are probably more true holes, but it really isn’t that simple.

 

offense is inherently more valuable-it’s more expensive, the rules favor it, it’s harder to come by certain skill sets. Guys like Sadiq or Concepcion theoretically allow this team to do stuff it just doesn’t have the personnel to do right now. Then there’s OT-you’ve got one guy under contract behind this season, question marks with your LT, a class that’s uniquely fertile in our spot for options, and the skepticism that you’ll have an opportunity to take one next offseason if you’re picking later in the draft.

 

they can’t stand pat at a couple spots on defense, but that doesn’t mean they cannot acquire those positions elsewhere.  The offensive spots are much harder to come by when not using a 1st rounder.

^^yep

[MHS831]

Defense and it is not even close--not even based on last year, how we have recently drafted, etc. 

On D, we could use a starting FS, LB, and DT.  Depth at CB.

On O, we need our future LT and possibly RT, but neither is likely to start right away.    Center?  depth and maybe next year's starter.  Starting TE.

 

 

 

 

[Basbear]

35 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I think as long as BY9 is QB our offense will be lackluster.  Our defense can make up for this by being dominate.  Plus as a Panther fan who is used to having stellar defenses, the product we have put out there the pas decade makes me sick

I swear with pcikett added, this HAS to be a bottom 3 draft room. Id take raiders over Panthers, about the only two Id say are lower Jets? Cards? that's about it. There's around 4-5 other groups in the talk, but Ive seen 3 years of BY and even a Murray or Sanders or Ward feel like a better options than Pickett or BY....

Im Soo happy about the other position group and the draft picks, then I think of the QB room and

 

 

[frankw]

4 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I think between the ears young is more advanced than darnold.

Let's keep it a hundred here.

Say what you want about Darnold. He's had some truly horrendous games and some horrendous seasons in his early years. But not even he was oblivious enough afterwards to say he just wanted to get away from football and watch Netflix or YouTube and go shopping for clothes while netting $38 million guaranteed. So we probably shouldn't throw stones.

[micnificent28]

4 hours ago, strato said:

Bryce is better than Darnold between the ears? Really? I would love to see Young go into a new team with a new system and go straight to the Super Bowl. 
 

He is nowhere near as developed as Darnold is. He has only seen two very similar systems. He has quite a ways to go to catch up to what Darnold has been exposed to and had to absorb. 
 

Not to mention that Darnold is bigger, stronger, taller with better field vision and an arm that can attack a defense pretty much anywhere on the field. 
 

That is my opinion of course. 

I think he is.Daronld more prone to panick ints. I don't hold my breath Everytime Bryce throws the ball. Bryce is a better processor and reading defenses definitely at this point in his career as opposed to where Darnold was. I think he's a better processor right now. Bryce has never had what Is Darnold has had at both stops as in an elite number 1.

Tmac could get there but he's not in the same aid as Jackson Smith or Justin jefferson. I would trust Bryce to win me the game on the last drive before Darnold so I guess I believe he is more skilled than Darnold. We have seen Darnold here and his decision making under pressure wasn't nearly as good as Bryce. If it was he might still be here 

[micnificent28]

8 minutes ago, frankw said:

Let's keep it a hundred here.

Say what you want about Darnold. He's had some truly horrendous games and some horrendous seasons in his early years. But not even he was oblivious enough afterwards to say he just wanted to get away from football and watch Netflix or YouTube and go shopping for clothes while netting $38 million guaranteed. So we probably shouldn't throw stones.

I think Darnold is obviously good enough to get the job done.. but would he be without the best defense in the league? Darnold is the driver of a brand new Lamborghini and all the owner asks of him is just don't crash it into a ditch. He doesn't throw picks they win games.  I think we ask more of Bryce than they do of Darnold and maybe we should since he was the number 1 pick.

[frankw]

5 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I think Darnold is obviously good enough to get the job done.. but would he be without the best defense in the league? Darnold is the driver of a brand new Lamborghini and all the owner asks of him is just don't crash it into a ditch. He doesn't throw picks they win games.  I think we ask more of Bryce than they do of Darnold and maybe we should since he was the number 1 pick.

What the Seahawks accomplished with a balanced roster and a dominant defense gives me hope for our Panthers. They are very well coached and very well run and it pains me to acknowledge that.

Now while Darnold had plenty of help on both sides of the ball and he still had moments of vintage Darnold I think you are making too much of the mental aspect as if Bryce Young is a savant. He's never lived up to the superprocessor billing and he never will for what we gave up. And at the end of the day you can wax poetic about what Darnold may or may not lack between the ears but Darnold was 10th in passing yards per game while Bryce was 31st. We're never going to compete for a Super Bowl with that.

Edited 45 minutes ago by frankw

[frankw]

9 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I think Darnold is obviously good enough to get the job done..

Sam Darnold had over 1k more passing yards than Bryce Young and Sam had 477 pass attempts to Bryce's 478.

Read that back to yourself a couple of times and then wave the white flag brother.

[micnificent28]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

Sam Darnold had over 1k more passing yards than Bryce Young and Sam had 477 pass attempts to Bryce's 478.

Read that back to yourself a couple of times and then wave the white flag brother.

I am not arguing over statistics. Darnold was in the pro bowl Bryce wasn't.

8 minutes ago, frankw said:

What the Seahawks accomplished with a balanced roster and a dominant defense gives me hope for our Panthers. They are very well coached and very well run and it pains me to acknowledge that.

Now while Darnold had plenty of help on both sides of the ball and he still had moments of vintage Darnold I think you are making too much of the mental aspect as if Bryce Young is a savant. He's never lived up to the superprocessor billing and he never will for what we gave up. And at the end of the day you can wax poetic about what Darnold may or may not lack between the ears but Darnold was 10th in passing yards per game while Bryce was 31st. We're never going to compete for a Super Bowl with that.

I'm not sure we watching the same games because when I watch them actually play Bryce decision making is usually pretty good to me.  Even when he throws an int it's not a OMG wtf were you thinking pick. Darnold has those moments. And like I said we have seen Darnold here. If you plug him back in who is to say he doesn't look like Bryce or worse.

Bryce limitations are tied to his physical ability to me. I think he sees it reads defense well but lacks the cannon to stretch the field or capitalize on what he sees. Add in a small frame and vision and he's limited... That doesn't take away from the fact I think I trust him more than Darnold reading defenses. Darnolds physical gifts have never been in question. He was the most talented QB of his class in terms of arm and ability. 

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I am not arguing over statistics. Darnold was in the pro bowl Bryce wasn't.

I'm not sure we watching the same games because when I watch them actually play Bryce decision making is usually pretty good to me.  Even when he throws an int it's not a OMG wtf were you thinking pick. Darnold has those moments. And like I said we have seen Darnold here. If you plug him back in who is to say he doesn't look like Bryce or worse.

Bryce limitations are tied to his physical ability to me. I think he sees it reads defense well but lacks the cannon to stretch the field or capitalize on what he sees. Add in a small frame and vision and he's limited... That doesn't take away from the fact I think I trust him more than Darnold reading defenses. Darnolds physical gifts have never been in question. He was the most talented QB of his class in terms of arm and ability. 

We've seen Bryce Young personally audible into some truly terrible plays even as recent as last year so this notion that he is significantly better at reading defenses doesn't exist within the realm of reality from my POV. He has not had a great deal of freedom within the structure of the offense for good reason. I would say he is average in football IQ. He isn't awful. But in no way shape or form was he or is he generational or top pick worthy in that aspect as he was billed predraft. Overall he is at best in the 22-25 range amongst all starting QB's and that is being generous.

[jfra78]

Why are we comparing Young to Darnold?