Draft intel from ESPN’s Jordan Reid

[Jay Roosevelt]

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Seems uninspiring for pick 19.  Maybe 2nd but no way at 19

Yeah, no way he's an option at 19. We could honestly probably get him in the 3rd round.

[firefox1234]

23 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

I mean, on some level I get it. They want to know 100% for sure before they either extend Bryce or move on. I imagine the logic behind it is that if they add another weapon and Bryce doesn't show he can be a franchise guy then we'll be in great position to draft another QB and slot him into an offense with 3 legit WRs, a good TE and a solid OL.

I don't think it's as simple as the front office trying to "justify" an extension for Bryce. If they're not sold on Bryce then they know paying him big money is a recipe for disaster and at that point just trying to please Tepper isn't going to save their jobs in the long run if they're stuck with a QB we can't win with.

I think Morgan and Canales are just as uncertain on Bryce as the fanbase is. They see his limitations, but they also see flashes where he has managed to overcome them and look like a potential franchise QB. I think they're trying to avoid Bryce becoming the next Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold and want to do everything they can to give him what he needs to succeed so that if/when the time comes to move on from him nobody can say "the Panthers were the problem" if he goes elsewhere and succeeds.

And if we do end up having to bring in another QB in a year or two if nothing else they will have the pieces around them as well and can hit the ground running.

I also think drafting a WR in the 1st this year would be as much about missing on XL as it would trying to justify extending Bryce. Personally I think we need to just count ourselves lucky to have landed a legit #2 WR as an UDFA in Coker (which helps negate the miss on XL in the 1st) and try to find a good slot receiver in free agency or the 2nd-4th rounds while focusing on defense and the OL in the 1st round.

In my opinion this is an ownership decision. I don’t think Morgan and Canales are as married to Bryce as it is them just acquiescing to a stubborn leadership.

[mrcompletely11]

30 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

I mean, on some level I get it. They want to know 100% for sure before they either extend Bryce or move on. I imagine the logic behind it is that if they add another weapon and Bryce doesn't show he can be a franchise guy then we'll be in great position to draft another QB and slot him into an offense with 3 legit WRs, a good TE and a solid OL.

I don't think it's as simple as the front office trying to "justify" an extension for Bryce. If they're not sold on Bryce then they know paying him big money is a recipe for disaster and at that point just trying to please Tepper isn't going to save their jobs in the long run if they're stuck with a QB we can't win with.

I think Morgan and Canales are just as uncertain on Bryce as the fanbase is. They see his limitations, but they also see flashes where he has managed to overcome them and look like a potential franchise QB. I think they're trying to avoid Bryce becoming the next Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold and want to do everything they can to give him what he needs to succeed so that if/when the time comes to move on from him nobody can say "the Panthers were the problem" if he goes elsewhere and succeeds.

And if we do end up having to bring in another QB in a year or two if nothing else they will have the pieces around them as well and can hit the ground running.

I also think drafting a WR in the 1st this year would be as much about missing on XL as it would trying to justify extending Bryce. Personally I think we need to just count ourselves lucky to have landed a legit #2 WR as an UDFA in Coker (which helps negate the miss on XL in the 1st) and try to find a good slot receiver in free agency or the 2nd-4th rounds while focusing on defense and the OL in the 1st round.

The push back here would be, if you have to have this much aligned for Bryce to hopefully show that he might be the guy then there is no fuging way you should be giving him $50 mil per moving forward.  And that is the low end of what he is going to asking for.  We have seen too many times that giving a dude a huge deal doesnt work.  Especially if you have doubts.  (See miami, Giants, Cards, no, atl etc)

 

And I ask again, what other teams have 3 above average wrs on them?  Most good qbs elevate whats already on the roster.

[MHS831]

32 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

I mean, on some level I get it. They want to know 100% for sure before they either extend Bryce or move on. I imagine the logic behind it is that if they add another weapon and Bryce doesn't show he can be a franchise guy then we'll be in great position to draft another QB and slot him into an offense with 3 legit WRs, a good TE and a solid OL.

I don't think it's as simple as the front office trying to "justify" an extension for Bryce. If they're not sold on Bryce then they know paying him big money is a recipe for disaster and at that point just trying to please Tepper isn't going to save their jobs in the long run if they're stuck with a QB we can't win with.

I think Morgan and Canales are just as uncertain on Bryce as the fanbase is. They see his limitations, but they also see flashes where he has managed to overcome them and look like a potential franchise QB. I think they're trying to avoid Bryce becoming the next Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold and want to do everything they can to give him what he needs to succeed so that if/when the time comes to move on from him nobody can say "the Panthers were the problem" if he goes elsewhere and succeeds.

And if we do end up having to bring in another QB in a year or two if nothing else they will have the pieces around them as well and can hit the ground running.

I also think drafting a WR in the 1st this year would be as much about missing on XL as it would trying to justify extending Bryce. Personally I think we need to just count ourselves lucky to have landed a legit #2 WR as an UDFA in Coker (which helps negate the miss on XL in the 1st) and try to find a good slot receiver in free agency or the 2nd-4th rounds while focusing on defense and the OL in the 1st round.

I think you make a point.  OTs are not really available beyond the draft unless you overpay or just get lucky.

[PleaseCutStewart]

3 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Reid:

“Adding another playmaker for Bryce Young is viewed as essential.”

“It’s possible they draft a receiver in round one.”

“The team is reportedly high on Oscar Delp.”  

I'm guessing this guy must be the biggest sucker our front office could find to share fake news to

[MHS831]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

The push back here would be, if you have to have this much aligned for Bryce to hopefully show that he might be the guy then there is no fuging way you should be giving him $50 mil per moving forward.  And that is the low end of what he is going to asking for.  We have seen too many times that giving a dude a huge deal doesnt work.  Especially if you have doubts.  (See miami, Giants, Cards, no, atl etc)

 

And I ask again, what other teams have 3 above average wrs on them?  Most good qbs elevate whats already on the roster.

That is correct because of the cap if nothing else.  An OL that costs $100m per year, $15m in the backfield, another $10m at TE, and all we can afford at WR is a pack of rookies (lets say $15m for all of them--probably higher).  That is $140m and it does not include the QB salary.  If they pay Bryce, they are going to have to replace their guards and RT.  

In other words, we cannot afford to give Bryce playmates when he will demand 17% of the salary cap.

In my view, you have 4 years to prove you can be elite.  If you are not elite, you don't get $50m per year to keep the franchise in limbo.   We have not constantly searched for competition for him when he has been below elite.  I don't understand the logic behind what they are doing.  Please tell me Tepper is not involved.

[theinstrumental]

I can't figure out what kind of tight end we're targeting. Obviously we don't have much receiving talent at that spot, but Delp is basically a pure blocker. He's not a playmaker. Sounds like they just love a good football player, but there are a few other guys in this class (Sam Roush, Will Kaczmarek) who can really block.

[SetfreexX]

3 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Desperately waiting for the day when reports say: "Replacing Bryce Young is viewed as essential". 

Never seen a QB get this kind of grace while being THIS MID.

Honestly, statistically he's been bottom 3rd. So below mid. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, SetfreexX said:

Never seen a QB get this kind of grace while being THIS MID.

Honestly, statistically he's been bottom 3rd. So below mid. 

Thats with one of the most expensive lines in the nfl, a top tier Rb, 2 first round wr's and a really good UDFA.  All of that equates at best to a top 20 qb.  This place is going to lose its collective minds when the inevitable Tepper extension is applied

[SetfreexX]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Thats with one of the most expensive lines in the nfl, a top tier Rb, 2 first round wr's and a really good UDFA.  All of that equates at best to a top 20 qb.  This place is going to lose its collective minds when the inevitable Tepper extension is applied

If that happens, fug man.

This my team, but being  subjected to Bryce on an extension if we witness the current level of play in 26' might make me just watch from afar til he's gone.

He's made some plays, but atleast guys like Sam, and Baker have LEGIT NFL upper level arm talent. 

Bryce isn't competing in that dept. and it limits the offense overall.

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

If that happens, fug man.

This my team, but being  subjected to Bryce on an extension if we witness the current level of play in 26' might make me just watch from afar til he's gone.

He's made some plays, but atleast guys like Sam, and Baker have LEGIT NFL upper level arm talent. 

Bryce isn't competing in that dept. and it limits the offense overall.

If it happens?  Brother its for sure going to happen.  The teps love some bryce.  I suspect by game 9 when we are 4-5 it will come down that he is signing a 4 year ext worth about $220 with 100 guaranteed.  Thats my best guess.  So basically he is on the books for 4/5 more years.

[Soul Rebel]

Idk, I feel like Delp is in line with more of the JT Sanders types….good, but not really moving the needle.

If we add a TE, I’d prefer we bring in a vet like Njoku and let the two youngsters continue to battle it out. 
 

[strato]

4 hours ago, SetfreexX said:

If that happens, fug man.

This my team, but being  subjected to Bryce on an extension if we witness the current level of play in 26' might make me just watch from afar til he's gone.

He's made some plays, but atleast guys like Sam, and Baker have LEGIT NFL upper level arm talent. 

Bryce isn't competing in that dept. and it limits the offense overall.

Even when he is at his absolute best, he is still limited compared to guys with better field vision and arm strength, that can process. Talking the top shelf types. I can’t see him ever being that. Ever. 
 

What I think could be interesting is what the offense or playbook looks like if they actually do try to build the offense around his strengths. I would love to see something radically different than the last three years. I don’t know what it could be though. 

 

[Jay Roosevelt]

5 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The push back here would be, if you have to have this much aligned for Bryce to hopefully show that he might be the guy then there is no fuging way you should be giving him $50 mil per moving forward.  And that is the low end of what he is going to asking for.  We have seen too many times that giving a dude a huge deal doesnt work.  Especially if you have doubts.  (See miami, Giants, Cards, no, atl etc)

 

And I ask again, what other teams have 3 above average wrs on them?  Most good qbs elevate whats already on the roster.

I don't disagree completely, but I don't think Morgan/Canales are ready to give up on Bryce completely.