Panthers attempted to trade up with Ravens?

[TheSpecialJuan]

Michael Silver says there was a trade in place with a team in the teens that was willing to come up and trade with Baltimore but they backed out at the end and countered with a less favorable package 

Jon & Ollie think it might have been the #Panthers to secure their tackle 
 

https://x.com/threesandtds24/status/2048919722595602788?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

[TheSpecialJuan]

That “secret” team would have given up 4th rounder in this past draft and 4th rounder in 2027 draft. 
 

[TheSpecialJuan]

We are scheduled to have 2 4th rounders next year (Adam Thielen trade) 

[XClown1986]

If true, this is great news. We must have gotten enough information to know our guy would still be there at 19. Once Proctor went 12 and Ty Simpson went 13, we knew one of Monroe Freeling and Blake Miller would be there. I really think they liked Miller and would have taken him at 19 if the Lions had gone Freeling

[TheSpecialJuan]

Not exactly shocking—across THREE separate press conferences! over the weekend, not a single member of the Charlotte media bothered to ask Dan whether he explored trading up or down.

[Daddy_Uncle]

1 hour ago, XClown1986 said:

If true, this is great news. We must have gotten enough information to know our guy would still be there at 19. Once Proctor went 12 and Ty Simpson went 13, we knew one of Monroe Freeling and Blake Miller would be there. I really think they liked Miller and would have taken him at 19 if the Lions had gone Freeling

100%

[tukafan21]

2 hours ago, XClown1986 said:

If true, this is great news. We must have gotten enough information to know our guy would still be there at 19. Once Proctor went 12 and Ty Simpson went 13, we knew one of Monroe Freeling and Blake Miller would be there. I really think they liked Miller and would have taken him at 19 if the Lions had gone Freeling

Lions were never going Freeling over Miller for the same reason we wouldn't have taken Miller had Freeling not been on the board.

Miller is a career RT

Lions have a hole at RT, we have a hole at LT.

If we took Miller, it would have been for him to backup Moton until he retires and/or we release him, so the best case scenario is it would have been a wasted 1st round pick for at least 1, if not 2 years.  At least Freeling has a shot at playing this year without injury ahead of him, he absolutely can win the LT job if he earns it, but Miller would have never supplanted Moton this year unless he got hurt.

[Aussie Tank]

8 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Lions were never going Freeling over Miller for the same reason we wouldn't have taken Miller had Freeling not been on the board.

Miller is a career RT

Lions have a hole at RT, we have a hole at LT.

If we took Miller, it would have been for him to backup Moton until he retires and/or we release him, so the best case scenario is it would have been a wasted 1st round pick for at least 1, if not 2 years.  At least Freeling has a shot at playing this year without injury ahead of him, he absolutely can win the LT job if he earns it, but Miller would have never supplanted Moton this year unless he got hurt.

Lions only have a hole at RT because they're moving thier all pro RT to LT 

[07579394]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

Lions were never going Freeling over Miller for the same reason we wouldn't have taken Miller had Freeling not been on the board.

Miller is a career RT

Lions have a hole at RT, we have a hole at LT.

If we took Miller, it would have been for him to backup Moton until he retires and/or we release him, so the best case scenario is it would have been a wasted 1st round pick for at least 1, if not 2 years.  At least Freeling has a shot at playing this year without injury ahead of him, he absolutely can win the LT job if he earns it, but Miller would have never supplanted Moton this year unless he got hurt.

Yep,and Blake Miller have had more experiences than Freeling,Lions did not sigh a vet T like Walker,so they had to pick Miller.

[strato]

I am gonna believe it wasn’t us if the 4th round pick price is accurate. We needed 225 points to get from 19 to their pick. 875 at 19 to 1100 at 14. 
Our 2026 4th was valued at 56 points I think. A future 4th has less value. So that wasn’t close to enough. 
 

It would have taken our third and our fourth. Comes within a point of even. 
 

Now, moving to their spot in the second round we could have done but after Miami took Rodriguez why would we? 

Edited 14 hours ago by strato

[tukafan21]

10 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Lions only have a hole at RT because they're moving thier all pro RT to LT 

Point being what?

It doesn't matter why they have the hole at RT, it just matters that they have it and because they have it, they were always taking Miller over Freeling.  Just like if we were ahead of them and both were on the board, we'd have also taken Freeling, and if Freeling was gone, I don't think we take Miller at all.

Taking a career RT would have made zero sense for us

[ForJimmy]

7 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Point being what?

It doesn't matter why they have the hole at RT, it just matters that they have it and because they have it, they were always taking Miller over Freeling.  Just like if we were ahead of them and both were on the board, we'd have also taken Freeling, and if Freeling was gone, I don't think we take Miller at all.

Taking a career RT would have made zero sense for us

His point is the Lions could have a hole at either RT or LT with Sewell being able to play both at a high level.  They could have easily kept Sewell at RT where he has been playing at an elite level and draft Freeling to be their LT.  It almost makes more sense.  I also think painting these players into traditional LT or RT roles by their style is a little outdated.  With the way defenses are moving their DL and pass rushers around the RT needs to be just as quick at the LT anymore.  OG play is even considered more valuable now that it was in the past.  

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

His point is the Lions could have a hole at either RT or LT with Sewell being able to play both at a high level.  They could have easily kept Sewell at RT where he has been playing at an elite level and draft Freeling to be their LT.  It almost makes more sense.  I also think painting these players into traditional LT or RT roles by their style is a little outdated.  With the way defenses are moving their DL and pass rushers around the RT needs to be just as quick at the LT anymore.  OG play is even considered more valuable now that it was in the past.  

I'm from Michigan and have had this discussion with my Lions friends, and they all agree with me, they were never going to take Freeling over Miller.  As, yes, you are correct, they could have left Sewell at RT and taken Freeling, but they are in a SB contention window right now.

An OL with Freeling at LT and Sewell at RT is not as strong as Sewell at LT and Miller at RT would be for this upcoming season and likely at least next year as well.

5 years it could be looked back upon as a long term "mistake" to take Miller over Freeling, but for a franchise like the Lions, you can't worry about the long term when you have current SB aspirations.  It's all about maximizing their current SB window over the next 1-3 years.

And it's not about style, it's about day 1 readiness, and a lot of "experts" aren't even sure if Freeling is ready to play Week 1 yet at the position he's used to, let alone switching to a side he hasn't played before, but a career starting RT is going to be more than ready to fill that role for them Week 1.

I'm 100% convinced that if our draft positioning was swapped, we'd have still taken Freeling, they'd have still taken Miller, and both teams would have got the OT that they preferred due to what each team needs right now and what their current realistic aspirations are for the 2026 season.

We're in a position where we can let our drafted OT sit and learn for a bit, they needed a week 1 starter, for me that's where this discussion becomes very easy to understand why each team took the player they did.

Edited 4 hours ago by tukafan21

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I'm from Michigan and have had this discussion with my Lions friends, and they all agree with me, they were never going to take Freeling over Miller.  As, yes, you are correct, they could have left Sewell at RT and taken Freeling, but they are in a SB contention window right now.

But an OL with Freeling at LT and Sewell at RT is not as strong as Sewell at LT and Miller at RT would be for this upcoming season and likely at least next year as well.

5 years it could be looked back upon as a long term "mistake" to take Miller over Freeling, but for a franchise like the Lions, you can't worry about the long term when you have current SB aspirations.  It's all about maximizing their current SB window over the next 1-3 years.

I'm 100% convinced that if our draft positioning was swapped, we'd have still taken Freeling, they'd have still taken Miller, and both teams would have got the OT that they preferred due to what each team needs right now and what their current realistic aspirations are for the 2026 season.

Miller being less raw and more pro ready makes sense of why they picked him. With us having a capable starter in Walker the lower floor higher ceiling player makes sense for us as well. I agree with that.