Off Season topic: What Panthers question do you have that you know will never be answered?

[strato]

9 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I've always thought it had something to do with Tepper meddling. The before and after draft of Frank shows a man with 2 different attitudes. I think he just couldn't trust his boss and gave up interest. It's hard to be a leader when you know you can't trust the guy paying your salary to not go behind your back and cut your legs out from under you. 

 

Along those lines, it seems like a lot of decisions were taken out of Frank’s hands. I don’t think he had complete freedom to staff his assistants.  I think Tepper and/or Fitterer dictated some of the hires. 
That’s how you get coaches giving different advice to a player.  It is how you start without everyone pulling the same way and being on the same page. They have different allegiances.  
Recipe for trouble.  

Who thinks Frank picked Thomas Brown to be his OC? Just for instance.  Evero, forgetting the OL coach’s name but he was held over as well, pretty sure.  Just a couple of examples. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

13 minutes ago, strato said:

Along those lines, it seems like a lot of decisions were taken out of Frank’s hands. I don’t think he had complete freedom to staff his assistants.  I think Tepper and/or Fitterer dictated some of the hires. 
That’s how you get coaches giving different advice to a player.  It is how you start without everyone pulling the same way and being on the same page. They have different allegiances.  
Recipe for trouble.  

Who thinks Frank picked Thomas Brown to be his OC? Just for instance.  Evero, forgetting the OL coach’s name but he was held over as well, pretty sure.  Just a couple of examples. 

Tepper said he used to walk through the office and make his opinion "known". That's just another way of saying do what I say or else. 

[T-Wazzle]

How will I feel if we ever win a super bowl?

 

[Jon Snow]

3 hours ago, strato said:

Along those lines, it seems like a lot of decisions were taken out of Frank’s hands. I don’t think he had complete freedom to staff his assistants.  I think Tepper and/or Fitterer dictated some of the hires. 
That’s how you get coaches giving different advice to a player.  It is how you start without everyone pulling the same way and being on the same page. They have different allegiances.  
Recipe for trouble.  

Who thinks Frank picked Thomas Brown to be his OC? Just for instance.  Evero, forgetting the OL coach’s name but he was held over as well, pretty sure.  Just a couple of examples. 

Fitterer picked all of Frank's assistant coaches. It was a mess from the start.

[strato]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Fitterer picked all of Frank's assistant coaches. It was a mess from the start.

That could never work. I am surprised Frank ever agreed to anything close to that.  
I guess the life changing money gets even people with integrity to compromise against their better judgement. 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, strato said:

That could never work. I am surprised Frank ever agreed to anything close to that.  
I guess the life changing money gets even people with integrity to compromise against their better judgement. 

He may not have agreed to all of it and it certainly showed at times. In the end he was fired for his own incompetence as a head coach. The damage Fitterer was responsible for started the day he was hired and continues to this day. It's going to take Dan a couple of years more to undo that disaster. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

9 hours ago, CanadianCat said:

Whats this.. please tell me more!

I had a meeting with Wesley Walls a couple years back and Greg came up and sat down with us and chatted for a bit. The topic sort of came up. My sense was that he knew it was a major rebuild and was going to be ugly.  Nothing necessarily to do with Rhule specifically, but he knew it was a sinking ship.

[strato]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

He may not have agreed to all of it and it certainly showed at times. In the end he was fired for his own incompetence as a head coach. The damage Fitterer was responsible for started the day he was hired and continues to this day. It's going to take Dan a couple of years more to undo that disaster. 

I think incompetence is a little strong. He was given a nightmare QB to work with and forced to start him right away.  
He knew immediately that it wouldn’t work like that and tried to get Andy in and when that happened the difference was night and day as far as the look and feel of the offense.  

He may be short on innovation and in that sense behind the curve of the modern day league but there is a lot stuff he knew about the QB position and the league in general. The fundamentals of the position don’t change as far as your footwork and form etc. 

If Fitterer indeed assembled that staff and Bryce was forced on him with that the likes of Thomas Brown being his OC Frank was given an impossible situation.  
 

Nothing against Brown other than he was a running back and not that experienced and the last type of pedigree that I would trust to develop a rookie QB.  
I have no doubt people were telling Bryce different things.  
 

Anyhow aside from all that I am  sort of interested to see how bad the NYJ offense gets abused this year with him running it.  I mean I do agree that the league has passed him by philosophically. Though it is swinging a little back to the old school.  
 

Which we have had to do as well.  And the prescription for a weak inexperienced QB really was just about what Ceank ran.  Conservative, strong running game.  

When we have tried to do otherwise with Bryce it is mostly miss not too much hit.  I mean cutting him loose to do a pass first attack has been a disaster when we can’t run the ball.  
 

Edited yesterday at 01:57 AM by strato

[AceMan]

23 hours ago, PanthersATL said:

What questions do you have for the team/players that you absolutely know will never be answered?

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(I'll add a preemptive "why did we draft Bryce?" one out of the way. There are tons of other threads already talking that topic)

There goes my questions;

I always wondered how Panthers players really feel about David Tepper.  Specifically during that early 2019-2021 period where we fired Ron Rivera and signed Matt Rhule.
 

[PanthersATL]

was walking away from the the Rock Hill facility the right idea?

[MechaZain]

21 hours ago, MBronson said:

Why did Matt Rhule talk about how excited he was to work with Cam Newton at the combine, then turn right around a couple months later and tell Cam to seek a trade? I honestly think Cam Newton on that 2020 Bridgewater led team could have made the playoffs. Teddy 2 gloves was just TOO conservative. 

Rhule if nothing else was an elite BS artist

[OneBadCat]

On 5/13/2026 at 1:19 PM, MBronson said:

Why did Matt Rhule talk about how excited he was to work with Cam Newton at the combine, then turn right around a couple months later and tell Cam to seek a trade? I honestly think Cam Newton on that 2020 Bridgewater led team could have made the playoffs. Teddy 2 gloves was just TOO conservative. 

What was so insulting about it was we signed all the pieces that Cam desperately needed for years, only to cut him and sign checkdown Teddy. It was bullshit.

[OneBadCat]

Why didn't we give Matt Moore a real chance? He was obviously better than Clausen.

 

Even two seasons before Fox should have pulled Delhomme at half time against Arizona and give the team a real chance with Moore. 2008 was the most talented roster we ever had, and John Fox let Jake throw it all away (quite literally).