Sources: Fairley, not Cam, "one to worry about"

[teeray]

So you think Rob Rang is someone worth listening to, then?

I guess not. So far everyone who has cited sources from scouts or NFL personnel that has positive things to say about Cam (of course I don't know if this was actually positive) I am sure is not trust worthy.

Should I not listen to him the?? I mean these aren't his beliefs these are quotes through sources.

Why don't you save me the trouble and just give me the list of people that are reaffirming your beliefs so that I know who to listen to :rolleyes:

[teeray]

Or it is a smoke screen :willy_nilly:

[mav1234]

I'm pretty sure this is how it works around here most of the time...

1) If someone writes something you agree with, they're worth listening to.

2) If they don't agree with you, they're a hater. Or stupid. Or liked Clausen in the past so are worthless now.

3) If they change their mind they're a media hack fooled by a smokescreen.

[Jackofalltrades]

I think I've officially turned into a Dareus fan

Welcome grasshopper, your journey is now complete.

[Jackofalltrades]

You have said this a couple of time JOAT and you may very well be correct. What I can't seem to figure out is if it is a slam dunk we aren't taking him; why are we bringing him in?? Doesn't make much sense. Smoke screen?? :willy_nilly:

Smoke screen? Perhaps, but I'm leaning more towards due diligence.

[TylerVagyler]

I heard PP stole a pack of gum from a gas station. We should stay away from him. Nothing but trouble.

[MHS831]

I guess not. So far everyone who has cited sources from scouts or NFL personnel that has positive things to say about Cam (of course I don't know if this was actually positive) I am sure is not trust worthy.

Should I not listen to him the?? I mean these aren't his beliefs these are quotes through sources.

Why don't you save me the trouble and just give me the list of people that are reaffirming your beliefs so that I know who to listen to :rolleyes:

You can't cite anyone, especially scouts, weeks before the draft. Poker faces, everyone.

[Mr. Scot]

I guess not. So far everyone who has cited sources from scouts or NFL personnel that has positive things to say about Cam (of course I don't know if this was actually positive) I am sure is not trust worthy.

Should I not listen to him the?? I mean these aren't his beliefs these are quotes through sources.

Why don't you save me the trouble and just give me the list of people that are reaffirming your beliefs so that I know who to listen to :rolleyes:

Actually, I asked if you think Rang is worth listening to because he's the one that wrote this article a while back...

Newton taking unnecessary risk with media workout

As I recall, back then you didn't think that much of his opinion.

Rang also wrote the following...

Cam Newton "struggled" in some team interviews

Newton, like Mallett, fails to answer tough questions

But now he's worth listening to, right? :sosp:

It's a trend I've noticed among Newton supporters, tying a guy's credibility to how he feels about Newton.

Some talked about Mel Kiper like he was the greatest drat expert available when he thought Newton was in the Top five, but then post-combine he knocked Newton down to the 10-12 range, and all of a sudden Kiper wasn't worth talking about anymore.

Likewise, BCG cited Russ Lande as an expert in a prior thread when he knocked Jake Locker. But then I pointed out that Lande didn't think Newton was even a first round pick, ans suddenly he didn't want to talk about Lande anymore.

Point being that it's a mistake to tie a guy's credibility to whether or not he agrees with you.

I don't agree with everything experts say (heck, there's rarely universal agreement among the experts themselves) but I think it's best to acknowledge their expertise based on who they are and whether they tend to be right or not rather than based on whether they like the same guy you do.

For the record, Rob Rang is worth listening to, but that's not based on his opinion of Newton.

[MHS831]

I heard PP stole a pack of gum from a gas station. We should stay away from him. Nothing but trouble.

What kind of gum? Has to do with his character and ethics.

I do, however, think it is foolish to act as though past actions do not matter. They are very important. Ask any team except Cincinnati and maybe oakland.

[TylerVagyler]

What kind of gum? Has to do with his character and ethics.

I do, however, think it is foolish to act as though past actions do not matter. They are very important. Ask any team except Cincinnati and maybe oakland.

Yeah, past actions matter. But people are overreacting to everything released about Cam. If someone writes a positive article about him, the reporter is an idiot. If someone write a negative article about him, the reporter is trustworthy and we should all listen to him. The Cam supporters are the same. People just read WAY too much into some of this stuff. The FO will sit down with Cam to determine whether they think he has matured and/or if they think he will mature into a responsible person (along with evaluating his on-field play) and then make their decision on him.

[Sam Mills Fan]

I've been saying this for the past month that Fairley's stock keeps dropping and he has about the same chance of going #1 as Gabbert does, i.e. none. Nobody knowledgeable is still putting Fairley #1. The only people perpetuating the Fairley at #1 myth are some idiots on WFNZ.

[jasonluckydog]

I want to trade the 1st .

[Snake]

Ohhhhh Noooooosss it must be cams fault cause he is teh suk.

[teeray]

Actually, I asked if you think Rang is worth listening to because he's the one that wrote this article a while back...

Newton taking unnecessary risk with media workout

As I recall, back then you didn't think that much of his opinion.

Rang also wrote the following...

Cam Newton "struggled" in some team interviews

Newton, like Mallett, fails to answer tough questions

But now he's worth listening to, right? :sosp:

It's a trend I've noticed among Newton supporters, tying a guy's credibility to how he feels about Newton.

Some talked about Mel Kiper like he was the greatest drat expert available when he thought Newton was in the Top five, but then post-combine he knocked Newton down to the 10-12 range, and all of a sudden Kiper wasn't worth talking about anymore.

Likewise, BCG cited Russ Lande as an expert in a prior thread when he knocked Jake Locker. But then I pointed out that Lande didn't think Newton was even a first round pick, ans suddenly he didn't want to talk about Lande anymore.

Point being that it's a mistake to tie a guy's credibility to whether or not he agrees with you.

I don't agree with everything experts say (heck, there's rarely universal agreement among the experts themselves) but I think it's best to acknowledge their expertise based on who they are and whether they tend to be right or not rather than based on whether they like the same guy you do.

For the record, Rob Rang is worth listening to, but that's not based on his opinion of Newton.

I haven't said one of those things. Not one. I haven't attacked any journalists credibility once. The closest I have come was saying KC Joyner was a contrarian. I also said he was very smart.

So I can confidently say that I haven't challenged any journalist's credibility in reporting what he is hearing from league sources. So that line of attack on me is baseless and incorrect.

I have my own opinions on Cam from what I have seen of him. I don't wait for journalists to tell me how to feel. I read everything whether it be good or bad and form an opinion from what I have read and what I have seen.

Most journalist are reporting what they are being told. Rob Rang has done that as well. Remember you are the one that asked me if Rob Rang was worth listening to. I never have said one thing about him one way or another.

My problem with some of the guys who are not Cam guys is the fact you guys just feel like you are smarter than everyone else. Scouts say something positive. His stock is top ten. Many think he can be a franchise QB. Some have even gone as far as to say he is a once in a decade type talent.

But you guys just dismiss it as if these guys who are paid a lot of money to do a good job (and normally do) are just WAY off base with their assessments.

My point from day one, and it hasn't changed, is that I believe he has a chance to be a franchise QB. Many NFL scouts agree with that.

But none of that matters. Because my point is if Rivera and Hurney agree with me they need to take him. i don't think that is unreasonable or blind infatuation with Cam. That is common sense.

If they don't think he can be the franchise guy they need to pass on him. It is a pretty simple deal really.