Sources: Fairley, not Cam, "one to worry about"

[teeray]

I guess not. So far everyone who has cited sources from scouts or NFL personnel that has positive things to say about Cam (of course I don't know if this was actually positive) I am sure is not trust worthy.

Should I not listen to him the?? I mean these aren't his beliefs these are quotes through sources.

Why don't you save me the trouble and just give me the list of people that are reaffirming your beliefs so that I know who to listen to

BTW Scot. Way to take my argument and try to make it your own in regards to cherry picking opinions. If you can't come up with something good, just take someone else's right?? :rofl:

[Swarly]

My problem with some of the guys who are not Cam guys is the fact you guys just feel like you are smarter than everyone else. Scouts say something positive. His stock is top ten. Many think he can be a franchise QB. Some have even gone as far as to say he is a once in a decade type talent.

But you guys just dismiss it as if these guys who are paid a lot of money to do a good job (and normally do) are just WAY off base with their assessments.

Many of us do this because every damn time a scout says something positive about Cam a new thread is made and nearly every Cam guy strolls into that thread and is like "ohhh I guess this guy is dumb too right Cam HATERS? LOL!"... yet every time a scout says something negative about him it's dismissed and he's called a hater.

[teeray]

Many of us do this because every damn time a scout says something positive about Cam a new thread is made and nearly every Cam guy strolls into that thread and is like "ohhh I guess this guy is dumb too right Cam HATERS? LOL!"... yet every time a scout says something negative about him it's dismissed and he's called a hater.

Very true.

But this door is swinging both ways. This is true on both sides of the issue.

I mean do you think Scot asked me if Rob Rang was worth listening to just to say, "yeah he is"?? Of course maybe Scot set up a smoke screen :willy_nilly: to try to catch me blowing up Rang. But I just think he reports what he has heard. No need to challenge his integrity.

Maybe, but I never said one thing about Rang. Not now, and not when he reported negative stuff.

By the way, you know why "smoke screen" :willy_nilly: has been so funny?? Because when positive stuff has been said the Anti-Cam group kept trying to say it was a smoke screen. That is why I have been making fun of it for a week now.

I'm not necessarily saying you guys are wrong just realize this is going on on both sides of this debate. That is natural.

[jtnc]

Dareus needs to be the pick! Eff filling the DT with FA. We need to address that position this draft NOW!

[YoungPanthers89]

draft green

[JawnyBlaze]

I'd rather have Cam than Fairley. And I don't really want Cam, there's at least 3 or 4 players I'd rather have - Green, Peterson and Dareus off the top of my head.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Dareus > Fairley

[Mr. Scot]

BTW Scot. Way to take my argument and try to make it your own in regards to cherry picking opinions. If you can't come up with something good, just take someone else's right?? :rofl:

Not really. Nice try though.

I've noticed your usual method for responding to something that shows you were in error and/or something you can't defend (like Newton needing his own receivers when no one else did) is to throw a big wall of text up, most of which has little weight, if any.

But again, thanks for playing :rolleyes:

And seriously, if you're gullible enough to think that stuff put out by GMs and leaked by "league sources" can just be taken at face value at this time of year, I probably can't help you.

[teeray]

Not really. Nice try though.

I've noticed your usual method for responding to something that shows you were in error and/or something you can't defend (like Newton needing his own receivers when no one else did) is to throw a big wall of text up, most of which has little weight, if any.

But again, thanks for playing :rolleyes:

And seriously, if you're gullible enough to think that stuff put out by GMs and leaked by "league sources" can just be taken at face value at this time of year, I probably can't help you.

Was I in error?? What was i wrong about?? I never said anything about him needing receivers at the combine. I have said two things and two things only in regards to his combine.

1- His footwork was not very good and he was not dropping back with the urgency he needed to and was having to rush his throws on the 5 step drop outs and therefore air mailed a couple of passes.

2- That his passing at the combine wasn't as bad as some people think. And the 11-21 was over blown. But he did have 3/4 terrible throws.

Go back and find my quote about him and not being familiar with his receivers.

As a matter of fact I have joked several times that it didn't matter who his receivers were because he threw them into the 3rd row.

And I just go on what is being reported. Of course a lot of it has to be taken with a grain of salt. But you guys were all over the "he struggled with interviews" and the "he looked terrible" threads. Didn't bother you then huh?

[teeray]

Was I in error?? What was i wrong about?? I never said anything about him needing receivers at the combine. I have said two things and two things only in regards to his combine.

1- His footwork was not very good and he was not dropping back with the urgency he needed to and was having to rush his throws on the 5 step drop outs and therefore air mailed a couple of passes.

2- That his passing at the combine wasn't as bad as some people think. And the 11-21 was over blown. But he did have 3/4 terrible throws.

Go back and find my quote about him and not being familiar with his receivers.

As a matter of fact I have joked several times that it didn't matter who his receivers were because he threw them into the 3rd row.

And I just go on what is being reported. Of course a lot of it has to be taken with a grain of salt. But you guys were all over the "he struggled with interviews" and the "he looked terrible" threads. Didn't bother you then huh?

I will say this. You were not all over the threads the way some of the other "Haters" were. I say 'Haters" with all due affection. :D

[whynot]

Hopefully .Our Coaches and FO are good enough judges of character to know if this Kid

has the work ethic to make it happen ,No doubt he has the tools .Does he have willingness to learn and take direction .Will he be the hardest worker on the team .Thats a leader does.

[teeray]

I will say this. You were not all over the threads the way some of the other "Haters" were. I say 'Haters" with all due affection. :D

But Scot I would also like to remind you That when Gil Brandt suggested we take Cam number one you attacked his credibility and evaluations

And when Kiper moved Cam up the number 3 you tampered down his abilities as an evaluator.

You seemed to have no problem with what you heard about Locker, Mallett, and Kaepernick from the NFL personnel in regards to the combine.

You had some pretty strong feelings about how muck a workout should effect draft stock before the combine, but have seemed to really have changed your tune on that one as well.

You also said we shouldn't listen to front offices right now but you have latched onto several things that some "inside sources" have said in Cincy about the availability of Carson Palmer although that has a direct influence on what they may do in the draft. That too could be misleading.

And you have latched onto every thing Rivera has said about Clausen in recent weeks. Again this is info that also could be used to perpetuate draft "smokescreens" so that too could be misleading.

So don't get self-righteous with me.

Especially if you are being a hypocrite yourself.

I think I have been pretty fair and open minded about this whole thing. Do I want us to draft Cam. Yeah.

But I also don't think I have been unreasonable in my reasoning for wanting to make that pick. I have also maintained that if our front office doesn't go in that direction I am cool with that.

My main beef has been the attitude by some that everyone who is on board with drafting Cam is just fugging stupid who doesn't know anything about football. That offends me and that is why I am sometimes a little long winded in my defenses.

I think you are a smart guy who believes we shouldn't draft Cam. That is great and I have no problems with that. You raise some really good points with your objections. I might not agree, but I try to keep it civil (except with TRD :D)

I would just wish you would allow some of us the same right to disagree without being subjected to basically being called stupid or not knowledgeable.

When I say that some scouts agree with me it isn't so much to say i am right as it is that I am not just a fuggin idiot. Other smart people are saying the same thing. They are seeing what I see. It isn't just grasping at air as some of you would suggest.

[Mr. Scot]

But Scot I would also like to remind you That when Gil Brandt suggested we take Cam number one you attacked his credibility and evaluations

And when Kiper moved Cam up the number 3 you tampered down his abilities as an evaluator.

You seemed to have no problem with what you heard about Locker, Mallett, and Kaepernick from the NFL personnel in regards to the combine.

You had some pretty strong feelings about how muck a workout should effect draft stock before the combine, but have seemed to really have changed your tune on that one as well.

You also said we shouldn't listen to front offices right now but you have latched onto several things that some "inside sources" have said in Cincy about the availability of Carson Palmer although that has a direct influence on what they may do in the draft. That too could be misleading.

And you have latched onto every thing Rivera has said about Clausen in recent weeks. Again this is info that also could be used to perpetuate draft "smokescreens" so that too could be misleading.

So don't get self-righteous with me.

Especially if you are being a hypocrite yourself.

I think I have been pretty fair and open minded about this whole thing. Do I want us to draft Cam. Yeah.

But I also don't think I have been unreasonable in my reasoning for wanting to make that pick. I have also maintained that if our front office doesn't go in that direction I am cool with that.

My main beef has been the attitude by some that everyone who is on board with drafting Cam is just fugging stupid who doesn't know anything about football. That offends me and that is why I am sometimes a little long winded in my defenses.

I think you are a smart guy who believes we shouldn't draft Cam. That is great and I have no problems with that. You raise some really good points with your objections. I might not agree, but I try to keep it civil (except with TRD :D)

I would just wish you would allow some of us the same right to disagree without being subjected to basically being called stupid or not knowledgeable.

When I say that some scouts agree with me it isn't so much to say i am right as it is that I am not just a fuggin idiot. Other smart people are saying the same thing. They are seeing what I see. It isn't just grasping at air as some of you would suggest.

The bolded part is hysterically ironic coming from a member of the Newton camp :lol:

Sorry Kid, you haven't got a clue :nonod:

Let me give you some actual quotes from me about Brandt...

Gil Brandt knows a thing or two. He's one of those guys I always pay attention to.

Brandt is very good, and has the pedigree to prove it.

And if you look back. you'll find that what Brandt said is that Newton would go number one, but not necessarily to the Panthers.

But like any analyst, Brandt can be wrong. He liked both Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn in 2007. That's what I actually pointed out.

Regarding Kiper, I say the same thing I always have. Not my favorite draft guy, regardless of whether I happen to agree with him or not. As to Locker, Mallett, Kaepernick and, for that matter, Gabbert, I've said repeatedly that I have no interest in them.

On the role of workouts, what I've said the whole time is that they don't matter as much as game film. They serve a purpose in that they help differentiate between guys with similar grades. Now, there is someone else who said that postseason games and workouts don't really help anyone, but they can hurt a player who looks bad. Do you happen to remember who that was?

I suppose I could try (again) to explain to you how to listen to draft speak - i.e. it's not all lies, but some of it is - but it's probably not worth it. From what I've seen, you're not a Panther fan. You're a Newton fan, and if the Panthers don't draft him, I seriously doubt you'll stick around. You might for a week or two just so you can say "see, I'm still here" but after that you'll slip away and join whatever fanbase has Newton.

And hey, that's your right. But don't go getting all huffy about people doubting you when you haven't been here that long and you tend to stick to only one topic. When you stop filtering everything through whether it's pro-Cam or anti-Cam, then maybe people will take you more seriously.

[mav1234]

in teeray's defense, he's said he'd be cool with us drafting other players, he just really wants a quarterback. I understand why people feel that way, I just don't think it is the right way to go with the #1.

I will say this, though. I am a bit tired of what Mr. Scot describes as "filtering everything through whether it's pro-Cam or anti-Cam," because it's something that is plaguing a number of posters. It's like anything said that is said has to be viewed through tinted glasses of one kind or the other. It's happening to "both sides" and it's a bit silly.