FTM analysis of Cam

[Happy Panther]

What I really don't like about this guy's analysis is that there's so much he doesn't tell you about, and so much that has to be subjective. He needs to publish his analytical techniques before he touts them, IMHO

He did. There is a link in the first paragraph.

This is excellent analysis. He has developed a mathematical formula to produce unbiased rankings of college recruits.

[panthers55]

I dont see why some live and die by wonderlic scores. Jimmy Clausen scored a 23 and Terry Bradshaw scored a 15. Ryan Fitzpatrick scored a 48. The average superbowl winner scored a 30, that's 30 out of 50. Honestly a 20-30 score shouldnt impress. A 30 is 60% and if you,ve ever taken a test 60% isn't good.

To base a QB's success rate on a test that ask nothing about football like reading defenses, audibles, etc. is kinda dumb. Peyton Manning scored a 28 and Alex Smith scored a 40, so what's the point? A player should be judged by what they do on the field not how well they do taxes.

Wonderlics are like IQ scores, if all things are equal then they can make a diiference. But they hardly should be a big piece of the puzzle unless we are deciding who joins the Menza club.

There are many folks who are very bright who are not nearly as successful as others who may have average or below average IQ but who are hard workers for example.

It should be included since it does measure your ability to problem solve and use critical thinking which is important to the quarterback position. However it is far from rocket science.

[TheRealDeal]

Read it again. With an average Wonderlic, he is in the elite category. A low score drops him to The Golden Calf of Bristol range.

I don't put much stock in these sorts of analyses, but lets report accurately what it said.

I just read it again and it said with a good score he could shed the The Golden Calf of Bristol/VY comparisons. He kind of says two different things. One that he's ahead of them with an average score and the other that he needs a good score to be ahead of them.

I stand corrected, somewhat.

[rico6]

Read it again. With an average Wonderlic, he is in the elite category. A low score drops him to The Golden Calf of Bristol range.

I don't put much stock in these sorts of analyses, but lets report accurately what it said.

Stats and TheRealDeal mix like water and grease, shyt and piss, Dogs and Cats.

You catch my drift.

[rotm]

That was pretty sloppy. It basically boils down to he doesn't like VY and thinks The Golden Calf of Bristol is a bust already for no reason. VY busted because he's lazy and entitled anyway not because hes an idiot or couldn't throw a football.

The tape tells us Cam is accurate on the deep ball and has great arm strength. The stats show he can beat top competition when the run is schemed away from him. Another thing that annoys me is this out of hand dismissal of his running. A big chubby stiff like Ben can take away Clay Mathews on the pass rush because he needs to be spied. Cam is built like Adonis and could out run Jon Beason.

[ncmonzta]

Wonderlics are like IQ scores, if all things are equal then they can make a diiference. But they hardly should be a big piece of the puzzle unless we are deciding who joins the Menza club.

There are many folks who are very bright who are not nearly as successful as others who may have average or below average IQ but who are hard workers for example.

It should be included since it does measure your ability to problem solve and use critical thinking which is important to the quarterback position. However it is far from rocket science.

Critical thinking is important, but most of these guys have been playing organized football since age 5. Most of them know and study football way more than any other subject in school. I think the wonderlic doesnt really prove anything besides basic IQ and has nothing to do with football IQ.

[JawnyBlaze]

I can fully believe part of the reason VY busted is how stupid he is. His stupidity is tied in with his immaturity which was a big factor in his bust.

That was pretty sloppy. It basically boils down to he doesn't like VY and thinks The Golden Calf of Bristol is a bust already for no reason. VY busted because he's lazy and entitled anyway not because hes an idiot or couldn't throw a football.

[Marguide]

I just read it again and it said with a good score he could shed the The Golden Calf of Bristol/VY comparisons. He kind of says two different things. One that he's ahead of them with an average score and the other that he needs a good score to be ahead of them.

I stand corrected, somewhat.

Agree that its confusing. The actual score was .889, putting him in the elite category. In his write-up, he apparently assumes the Wonderlic will come out low, dropping him to The Golden Calf of Bristol land.

I think the guy is trying to cover all the bases, so he can come back next year and say, "See...I was right!"

[Snake]

But But but I say he teh suk!!!!!!!! Damn you!!!!

[Happy Panther]

http://fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Player_News/Player_Tabs/news_qb.htm

He rates gabbert a possible bust

Mallett weak

Locker most assuredly a bust

And Stanzi the next tom brady

[Snake]

http://fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Player_News/Player_Tabs/news_qb.htm

He rates gabbert a possible bust

Mallett weak

Locker most assuredly a bust

And Stanzi the next tom brady

Stranger things have happened.

[nagai]

I am torn on this piece of analysis. What this should be is Cam Newton showing a lot of promise when placed in this algorithm. The author said that he's aiming to reject the biases with a scientific method. Why the fug does he have to bring up Vince Young then? I am by no means a Newton nut-hugger, I just want to be fair. In this case, Newton in all fairness should've received high praise. Why does he have to be so negative, so biased, when his own system says otherwise? Why does he even start writing this article with the thought of 'exposing' Cam? Thanks R.C. Fisher, you've shown me something insightful about Cam. Sadly for you, it's not what your biased ass wants us to believe.

[Marguide]

I am torn on this piece of analysis. What this should be is Cam Newton showing a lot of promise when placed in this algorithm. The author said that he's aiming to reject the biases with a scientific method. Why the fug does he have to bring up Vince Young then? I am by no means a Newton nut-hugger, I just want to be fair. In this case, Newton in all fairness should've received high praise. Why does he have to be so negative, so biased, when his own system says otherwise? Why does he even start writing this article with the thought of 'exposing' Cam? Thanks R.C. Fisher, you've shown me something insightful about Cam. Sadly for you, it's not what your biased ass wants us to believe.

I also find it telling that his formula contains some secret factors that he won't divulge for commercial reasons. There are ways for him to protect his work without secrecy, but this approach allows him to inject his bias at will.

[Happy Panther]

I am torn on this piece of analysis. What this should be is Cam Newton showing a lot of promise when placed in this algorithm. The author said that he's aiming to reject the biases with a scientific method. Why the fug does he have to bring up Vince Young then? I am by no means a Newton nut-hugger, I just want to be fair. In this case, Newton in all fairness should've received high praise. Why does he have to be so negative, so biased, when his own system says otherwise? Why does he even start writing this article with the thought of 'exposing' Cam? Thanks R.C. Fisher, you've shown me something insightful about Cam. Sadly for you, it's not what your biased ass wants us to believe.

He is pretty harsh on all the QBs, however you need to read further.

In his methodology he clearly states that QBs with a score above .85 are likely solid NFL QBs. The formula says that Cam should be a great QB. And he admits that. His numbers are great, if not spectacular.

Then he does an opinion piece, less formulaic, saying that Cam may a QB that proves the formula wrong. And gives a bunch of good reasons. Vince young is hardly a terrible QB, but this guy obviously hates him

But he makes good points. Vince is the best QB in the past 5 years to be drafted with a wonderlic less than 24. If Cam newton does less than 24 on the wonderlic, why is he better than Vince? His stats are nearly identical.

If you want to summarize the article: Dumb running QBs with great passing ability aren't elite